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 Post subject: 2015 PHEV Handbrake & Motor Lock Failure
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:37 am 
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Hi there folks.
1st time poster here.

Looking for any pointers / advice if anyone has anything it would be appreciated.

I seem to have had a bit of an issue with my Outlander taking itself for a short trip down my driveway and in to the fence / wall at the bottom of it yesterday afternoon.
As you may or may not be aware there is some snow here in Scotland.
Nothing much to worry about if I am honest as I have a good set of all season tyres fitted and can’t think of the last time I failed to get to where I wanted to be due to snow on the roads.

Anyway after I returned home from the office yesterday afternoon and parked the car up the driveway (partially clear of snow).
1: Applied the handbrake.
2: Pressed “P”. (I know it comes on automatically when you switch off the car but it’s habit)
3: Turned off the car.
4: Got out and locked it.
5: Plugged in the charging cable.

I then went in to my garage to get my snow shovel and bag of grit & salt.

However while I was in the garage I heard a smash and a car alarm going off, when I looked out you can imagine my shock to see it was my car.
It was now sat attached to the metal fence & wall at the bottom of my driveway.
Charging cable still attached to the socket on the car but cables and charger ripped from the wall of the house and bare 7kw cables open to the elements.

So I am completely confused as to what has happened here.

It’s going to need a new Passenger side front wing, front bumper respray, front windscreen pillar re-painted.
Not sure if there’s any damage to the passenger door yet as the wing has been pushed in behind it so I can’t open the door.

I am also concerned about the charging socket on the car as the plug was turned at least 45 degrees to where it should be, although I think the plug took the worst of it I still want it all checked out.

When I got in to the car to reverse it back up off the wall I noticed the handbrake did not seem to hold anymore either.

Cheers for any pointers

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 PHEV Handbrake & Motor Lock Failure
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:05 am 
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Hi A4est,

Very worrying, and expensive. Could it be that the handbrake had iced up? but even then "P" shoud have held it.

I too live in Scotland and have just cleared another 5 inches of snow of the drive, but in spite if having new all season tyres on the car it is staying locked in the garage today!

Good luck getting to the bottom of it and getting the repairs sorted out.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 PHEV Handbrake & Motor Lock Failure
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:14 am 
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Seized rear calipers have been mentioned on here a couple of times, that's assuming your car has the old-fashioned mechanical handbrake lever. It's interesting that the parking brake didn't hold...but then it is probably only a 'little pin' into a small indent on part of the front transmission gears.

Electric handbrake is a whole different ball game of course!

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 PHEV Handbrake & Motor Lock Failure
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Judging by the impressive "clonk" the parking brake produces from time to time - which comes from the rear BTW-, it is more than a little pin in an indent.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 PHEV Handbrake & Motor Lock Failure
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:06 am 
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DAUK wrote:
Hi A4est,

Very worrying, and expensive. Could it be that the handbrake had iced up? but even then "P" shoud have held it.

I too live in Scotland and have just cleared another 5 inches of snow of the drive, but in spite if having new all season tyres on the car it is staying locked in the garage today!

Good luck getting to the bottom of it and getting the repairs sorted out.

DAUK


I am up in Aberdeen and to be honest buddy there is not a lot of snow here in the city at all (it's been more like the "Bunny from the East" than the "Beast from the East" :lol:
The shire is being hit pretty hard but not in the town.
I doubt I have had to clear 3" in total off the car over the last few days.

The temperature at the time was only -2 deg so not that cold either.

Spoke to the chief mechanic at the Mitsubishi dealer in Aberdeen so he's intrigued, he thinks the handbrake has failed as part of it but also said the Motor Brake should have held it.

Will drop it off to them today or tomorrow and let them deal with any warranty issues before it goes to the body shop.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 PHEV Handbrake & Motor Lock Failure
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:05 am 
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jaapv wrote:
Judging by the impressive "clonk" the parking brake produces from time to time - which comes from the rear BTW-, it is more than a little pin in an indent.


Sorry, I'm talking about the transmission lock when 'Park/P' is pressed. On conventional auto gearboxes and CVTs (yes I know it's not one of either of these!) it's not much more than a pin that is dropped into a hole in one of the 'gears', hence my comment.

And it is most definitely located on the front transmission, there are diagrams showing where the actuator is located.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 PHEV Handbrake & Motor Lock Failure
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You're surely right about the location, hard to tell the direction in any case, but my car does produce quite an impressive clonk sometimes when the lock engages.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 PHEV Handbrake & Motor Lock Failure
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:20 am 
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So I am completely confused as to what has happened here.


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I then went in to my garage to get my snow shovel and bag of grit & salt.


I'm guessing there's no possibility that 2 tonnes of PHEV actually slid down the driveway on ice, so the wheels were not actually rotating at the time all? How steep is the driveway and how much ice was there? I say this because I once saw the result of an incident of a Skoda 'sliding' on ice, about 50 yards down a carpark, through a hedge and on to the top of a conservatory. The driver had the brakes applied throughout.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 PHEV Handbrake & Motor Lock Failure
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:00 am 
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I have both rear calipers replaced, a year apart, after the self-adjusting mechanism corroded and seized. Others have reported the same and there is a recall notice in Japan for this issue. I corresponded with MCS who say no recall is required in the UK.
I would have thought leaving the car in P should have held it anyway but, the recall notice translated from Japanese specifically mentions the danger of a vehicle moving if a caliper fails. If the dealer finds a defective caliper you perhaps should contact MCS. Link to recall notice:
http://recall.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/R ... erno=14168

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 PHEV Handbrake & Motor Lock Failure
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NightPHEVer wrote:
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So I am completely confused as to what has happened here.


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I then went in to my garage to get my snow shovel and bag of grit & salt.


I'm guessing there's no possibility that 2 tonnes of PHEV actually slid down the driveway on ice, so the wheels were not actually rotating at the time all? How steep is the driveway and how much ice was there? I say this because I once saw the result of an incident of a Skoda 'sliding' on ice, about 50 yards down a carpark, through a hedge and on to the top of a conservatory. The driver had the brakes applied throughout.


I appreciate what you are saying but it's not a particularly steep driveway.
I have attached a couple of pictures of the driveway at the time.
At worst the front wheels were on some snow but not a whole lot and the temperature was only at about -1 so no hard ice or compacted snow.


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