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 Post subject: Re: Drive battery degradation and replacement.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:55 pm 
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Trex wrote:
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If the car is always charged fully from the AC supply, the BMU estimate of SOH is probably quite accurate.


I am not sure about this statement HHL. Now from the person on youtube I posted above says:

"Had the 2018 phev since Feb. After 20.000 km and battery capacity down to 93%according to watchdog, had car inspection and they suggested battery reprogramming, and they did a dbcam procedure. Since then battery capacity upto and remains at 98,5% and have driven 1000 km. My garage(Germany) doesn't understand all these problems, so the most important thing when buying a phev, which I love and am very happy with it.,is the 3xperience and quality of expertise at your garage. The extra education of the mechanics is expensive so my garage tells me."

Now we cannot tell from this if the person used DC charging but reading what he said made me go and check my new April 2018 PHEV and saw that the SOH was 91.84% with only 12,823 kms using EVbatmon. So according to the BMU I have lost approx 8% in approx 9 months with no DC charging and we have been babying the new PHEV's drive battery far more than my oldest PHEV.

Speaking of which ie my oldest PHEV you asked me back in the old Evbatmon thread I started:

Trex wrote:
HHL wrote:
Same here... works a treat.

Use an old Nextbook to run it. Very impressive....

My battery % is 91.4% (car built date is Mar 2014, 11,000km)

Care to share your info?


Sure.

Battery condition 90%.

Car built Feb 2014(bought April 2014), 31,415kms


Now this was posted Sun Dec 27, 2015 so nearly 2 years after it was built my oldest PHEV that we did not baby is approx the same as my new PHEV that we do. :roll:

Do I think my new PHEV is degraded this bad for real? No I do not. I think the BMU is being very pessimistic on the new PHEVs as some around here have noticed including the person I quoted above.

Will I bother to get my BMU recalibrated at this stage? Not sure. I may wait to see because it is not effecting the range we need while EVing but I would love to know for sure like the person I quoted above just to satisfy my curiosity. :geek:


Interesting about the new one's SOH. Anyway, I do think the less dealers fiddle with the car the better it is ;-). As for a certain Youtube enthusiast's exploits, I do think the engineers who designed this car deserve a bit more credit. When you look at the few recalls, all of them quite minor, it is an incredible achievement with a car of this complexity.


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 Post subject: Re: Drive battery degradation and replacement.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:04 pm 
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HHL wrote:

Interesting about the new one's SOH. Anyway, I do think the less dealers fiddle with the car the better it is ;-). As for a certain Youtube enthusiast's exploits, I do think the engineers who designed this car deserve a bit more credit. When you look at the few recalls, all of them quite minor, it is an incredible achievement with a car of this complexity.


"certain Youtube enthusiast's exploits" Who you talking about? Don't be shy. ;) :lol:

Yea I think the engineers have done a great job as well. Is the PHEV perfect? Not IMO. But as an design engineer myself I know we cannot make everyone happy. We have budgets and sales projections to consider as well as technology and physical constraints etc. But we try our best to make the product better as technology gets better etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Drive battery degradation and replacement.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:40 am 
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Trex wrote:
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Well it all changed when anko (yes the same anko you still see here floating around sometimes) decoded the Canbus. Now we have multiple apps to show our SOH of the drive battery and other things.
Recognition. Thank you :P ;)


:lol: That would my pleasure anko. You did good work. 8-) Though sometimes I curse you like when I checked my new PHEV's SOH. :lol:

:lol: :lol: #metoo


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 Post subject: Re: Drive battery degradation and replacement.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:34 pm 
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In Australia it "seems" to be 80% after 10 years. At least for a happy few. As in good will, no warranty ;)


Hi anko. So who are the "happy few" you mention? Is this something I have missed? :?
Auch. I guess you have fallen behind. YouTube 'celebrity' Andy from EVUnplugged Australia has led the rebellion against MMAL and this resulted in his battery (and maybe one or two others) to be replaced on short notice. Not because of warranty but because of goodwill :geek:

He needed about 140 short VLOGs and this is the final one in which he announces the results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_FCXE0gKzo&t=280s


Look like he swapped PHEV for a Tesla...just for a day.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9BxB7iHDSbI

Tai

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