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 Post subject: Re: UK Ministers to end rip-off charging of electric cars
PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:42 am 
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Surely the only viable way forward with public charging is for the govenment to insist that - where they have space to do so - all petrol stations should have at least four charge points that are always reliably maintained, fully operational and govenment subsidised for price. EV punters could then feel safe to charge day or night and to the benifit of the station spend half an hour consuming Costa, or scoffing M&S wraps. Although the govenment should also insist that petrol stations improve their toilet facilities too, to make the prospect of an half hour stop more inviting.

The bit I still don't understand regarding in particular the PHEV, is that everybody (including Mitsubishi) says not to use 30min charge points 'too often' (whatever that may mean) as this practice will deplete the life of the batteries. Does this 30min charge depletion problem apply to other makes of EV? What exactly is 'too often'. This is a horrible flaw in the concept of public PHEV charging. I think maybe it should be made very clear that home charging, and its associated installation costs and logistics, are the reality of Mitsubishi PHEV ownership. Don't know about other EVs. I suspect Tesla may have the resourses to be the exception, but I doubt I'll ever be wealthy enough to find out.


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 Post subject: Re: UK Ministers to end rip-off charging of electric cars
PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:32 pm 
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Perhaps now is the time to widen the EV PHEV cost savings to all owners.

At the moment most of subsidy is aimed at business users, maybe the government should cut back on these tax breaks and use the money to build the substantial EV charging network needed to get us over the need for still using petrol.
This surely will hasten the use of (sustainable?) electric to power transport.
Also spreading the cost savings over the vehicle lifetime will help slow down the huge depreciation which seems to effect EV / PHEV vehicles.

Time for a new approach is needed as it doesn't seem that private companies can sustain the EV infrastructure and make a profit.

And it would be fairer.


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 Post subject: Re: UK Ministers to end rip-off charging of electric cars
PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:02 pm 
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3 of the 6 charge points at York Designer Outlet were blocked by non EVs BH Monday - a Leaf owner was forced to drive onto paths to charge so he could get home

He asked the staff in Outlet for help but got nowhere - apparently 1 of the vehicles was a staff car - I've seen staff parking on electric charge bays at York Vanguard too but usually spaces left so never said anything

I use the rapid charge if available for 20-25 minutes it takes to get 80% then move so EVs can use it - parking in bays if not using them is pretty selfish

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:28 pm 
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The issue of charging points is essentially a stand off.

Some consumers (us!) need to be brave and take the risk. Then providers can see a Return possibility and so invest more money into it.

Very few companies will take these risks at the moment while the tech is still comparatively infant and so growth will be slow.

The charging stations really only took off when Tesla (like them or loathe them)built their network, which I think was one of the biggest shoves forward for EV as a practical reality.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:52 am 
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I don't know about the UK but often using public charge points and especially CHAdeMO ones makes no economic sense for plug-in owners. I will only use a standard public charge point to claim a parking spot (and will, of course, charge then). If I anticipate a longer stay of a couple of hours of more I will use a free one if available.

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 Post subject: Re: UK Ministers to end rip-off charging of electric cars
PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:58 am 
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Surely the only viable way forward with public charging is for the govenment to insist that - where they have space to do so - all petrol stations should have at least four charge points that are always reliably maintained, fully operational and govenment subsidised for price. EV punters could then feel safe to charge day or night and to the benifit of the station spend half an hour consuming Costa, or scoffing M&S wraps. Although the govenment should also insist that petrol stations improve their toilet facilities too, to make the prospect of an half hour stop more inviting.

The bit I still don't understand regarding in particular the PHEV, is that everybody (including Mitsubishi) says not to use 30min charge points 'too often' (whatever that may mean) as this practice will deplete the life of the batteries. Does this 30min charge depletion problem apply to other makes of EV? What exactly is 'too often'. This is a horrible flaw in the concept of public PHEV charging. I think maybe it should be made very clear that home charging, and its associated installation costs and logistics, are the reality of Mitsubishi PHEV ownership. Don't know about other EVs. I suspect Tesla may have the resourses to be the exception, but I doubt I'll ever be wealthy enough to find out.
Yes it does. But full-electric vehicles have no choice but to use them.

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 Post subject: Re: UK Ministers to end rip-off charging of electric cars
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One problem is that there is no 'standard' payment system. Charging points around here are owned by a few different operators which would mean numerous subscriptions charges.

Why can't we just us the normal telephone apps/ mobile payments systems used for parking


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:51 pm 
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Parking is just as bad! I've got 4 different apps on my phone for that! Best solution is pay at charger - just tap the credit card on the rfid sensor and away you go.


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 Post subject: Re: UK Ministers to end rip-off charging of electric cars
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:32 am 
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jaapv wrote:
I don't know about the UK but often using public charge points and especially CHAdeMO ones makes no economic sense for plug-in owners. I will only use a standard public charge point to claim a parking spot (and will, of course, charge then). If I anticipate a longer stay of a couple of hours of more I will use a free one if available.


Increasingly, it makes no sense here either. My local car parks (Hertfordshire) have charging points, but these days they cost money - more than the petrol equivalent of the charge - and the parking space is no longer free either.


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 Post subject: Re: UK Ministers to end rip-off charging of electric cars
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:48 am 
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I'm lucky where I live - I got a charge your car card (£20 pa) and can now park free in York (normally over £2 ph) while recharging @ 15p/kwh :mrgreen:

Swmbo likes the York designer outlet which has free parking and they only charge 15p kwh there too for Chademo or rapid so I use that too - provided they're not blocked by ICE owners who like to be near the entrance :evil:

York Vangaurd is another of her haunts and they have free electric there 8-)

I used to hate York but it's grown on me since I got the phev ;)

I'm just waiting for delivery of a Lexus RC 300h F Sport in September as a second vehicle (swmbo is hopefully going to use the phev) - I will be using the Lexus for trips where I am unable to get cheap electric - not sure it makes sense financially but I figure I should do it now while I can still get in and out :lol:

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