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 Post subject: Anyone else who wouldn't have a PHEV again?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:46 am 
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On balance, I wouldn't have another PHEV for various reasons. Is there anyone else who has come to the same conclusion? If so, why?


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone else who wouldn't have a PHEV again?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:00 am 
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I would seriously question the decision. Don't get me wrong - I like the car and the performance is pretty much what I was expecting, but I'm not confident about the build quality and the battery life expectancy is an issue. Our Landcruiser is close to 20 years old now, has 160,000 miles on the clock and I still trust it better.

The PHEV was a sensible purchase a couple of years ago with the favourable tax treatment at the time. Now that the BIK is ramping up and the subsidy is being reduced, I would find it a lot harder to justify.


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone else who wouldn't have a PHEV again?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:15 am 
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maby wrote:
..., but I'm not confident about the build quality and the battery life expectancy is an issue.
I don't understand. What has changed since you bought it the first time?


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone else who wouldn't have a PHEV again?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:49 am 
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anko wrote:
maby wrote:
..., but I'm not confident about the build quality and the battery life expectancy is an issue.
I don't understand. What has changed since you bought it the first time?


A combination of personal experience, the reported experiences of others and thinking more carefully about it. I'm disappointed with the physical strength - I always recognised that it is not a serious off-roader, but the bodywork is paper-thin. Every tap or nudge leaves a significant dent and a light contact with a fallen plastic refuse bin buckled the front wing to the point where it had to be replaced. After less than 18 months, the interior is beginning to show its age and the dashboard area is developing some irritating squeaks and rattles. The engine after 16,000 miles is also beginning to get noisier than I would expect for a car of this price.

The experiences of others here like gwatpe who actually managed to bully Mitsubishi into taking his first one back and replacing it plus the rapid-charge lockups also don't inspire too much confidence. OK - I recognise that these are the grumbles of a small number of people who have suffered serious problems and they may not be statistically significant, but they do correspond with my general lack of confidence about build quality.

Regarding battery life expectancy, it is a combination of thinking more carefully about it after making the decision to purchase plus gwatpe's experience which shows that the battery is not foolproof. If the life expectancy is eight to ten years with a projected replacement cost of £3000, then this is a significant consideration. As I said in my post above, out old Landie is still running pretty well after nearly 20 years and 160,000 miles - and the engine has had no work done apart from oil changes. Hybrids get the worst of both worlds in this respect - they need both the engine and the battery in decent condition - so as they get old, you have two significant bills looming.

The tax concessions as a company car plus the subsidy rather compensate for this additional maintenance liability as the car gets older, but those tax concessions are being eroded. Fuel economy could be a significant factor for some users, but it isn't for us - we are getting about 45mpg - and I am not taking into account the cost of electricity - our effective mpg is probably closer to 40. It is certainly the case that if you use it almost exclusively for short journeys, the running costs (and environmental impact) can be very low - but I would not buy an expensive, large 4WD for that pattern of usage - I would either buy a compact petrol car at half the price and capable of 70mpg or better, or a second-hand diesel 4WD - a seven or eight year old Discovery or Landcruiser can be had for a few thousand pounds and has a life expectancy of another ten years or more - they are almost disposable these days.

If I were buying tomorrow as a private purchase with our current pattern of usage and had the money to buy new, I would look seriously at the Jeep Renegade. It's cheaper than the PHEV, would turn in similar running costs for us and I think I would have more confidence in it.


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone else who wouldn't have a PHEV again?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:05 am 
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I would buy again:
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The car delivers what it is supposed to deliver.
I really like the ride quality.
I find the bodywork as flimsy or solid as any other modern car - I was horrified some years ago to find that some parts of my Jaguar were flimsy plastic - sign of the times I guess, with NCAP ratings cars must have a thin skin and solid core for safety reasons. At least they don't rust any more...
As for the interior - this is an utilitarian car - it is about what I expected.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone else who wouldn't have a PHEV again?
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I wouldn't mind the body panels being paper thin if they were also paper cheap! The front wing on ours cost hundreds to replace despite the fact that it was apparently a case of undoing a few bolts and screwing the replacement on. I claimed for that against insurance, but if I go claiming for every minor dent, my premium will go through the roof. I suspect that our PHEV is going to look pretty battered by the time it is a few years old.


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone else who wouldn't have a PHEV again?
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I'am thinking to replace mine by the end of 2018, and normally it will be for another PHEV. I like driving in town in EV mode, and the consumption is not my first purpose.
Maybe a BMW 225 or X1, maybe the ASX successor (which will be bigger than the present one) or maybe another brand.
The next Outlander 4 will be too big for my little family (wife and me ;) )


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone else who wouldn't have a PHEV again?
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I agree broadly with jaapv but would add that air pollution is a real consideration for me in Sarf Lundun. I use very little petrol so would expect the engine to outlive me and £3k for a new battery in 10 years (£300 per year) seems reasonable. Whilst a smaller EV would be cheaper I still need the load capacity - try loading a washing machine (last 3 - 5 years) into the back of a Leaf :lol: and the writing is clearly on the wall for diesels in cities - assuming they don't get banned altogether. :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone else who wouldn't have a PHEV again?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:03 am 
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Until the PHEV became available on the company list at the last minute I had been going round in circles looking at choices. We previously had a cleverly funded leasing scheme that spared us from company car tax but felt like a company car, they abandoned it for simple leasing.

Having been 'out the loop' for a few year on leasing I was horrified at the tax quotes of even quite humble cars and remaining in an SUV of some sort was going to burn my wallet badly.

I agree the advantages are being eroded a lot, but someone I know recently getting a basic Tourag put it into perspective for me as its undoubtedly of a far better quality feel but size and ability wise there is not so much difference really, except he will pay £425 a month more than me just in pure tax, and pay a more expensive lease on top. I have a long list of things 6 to 7 thousand pounds a year is needed for in my life.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone else who wouldn't have a PHEV again?
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BobEngineer wrote:
Until the PHEV became available on the company list at the last minute I had been going round in circles looking at choices. We previously had a cleverly funded leasing scheme that spared us from company car tax but felt like a company car, they abandoned it for simple leasing.

Having been 'out the loop' for a few year on leasing I was horrified at the tax quotes of even quite humble cars and remaining in an SUV of some sort was going to burn my wallet badly.

I agree the advantages are being eroded a lot, but someone I know recently getting a basic Tourag put it into perspective for me as its undoubtedly of a far better quality feel but size and ability wise there is not so much difference really, except he will pay £425 a month more than me just in pure tax, and pay a more expensive lease on top. I have a long list of things 6 to 7 thousand pounds a year is needed for in my life.


It is horrifyingly expensive, isn't it? Prior to the PHEV, I had been on a cash car allowance for many years - it was only the low BIK that tempted me to take the car directly. In a year or two, we will sell the car to ourselves at the highest level of depreciation we can get away with and go back to the cash allowance. But that is only really viable because we do virtually no business mileage - I don't think I claimed for any business miles last year. If we were doing significant business miles, the answers could be very different.


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