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 Post subject: Re: How to best protect your drive battery.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:11 pm 
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windymiller wrote:
As advised to us by Mitsubishi, via the dealer, in response to our question about how to slow the rate of degradation;

[*]Always run the battery down to "empty" before recharging
[*]Always charge to completely full
[*]Never partially charge
[*]See if that helps

I have it on an email from them somewhere.


Yea you showed me that before in my other thread. Not sure I believe it to be from the engineers in Mitsubishi Japan.


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 Post subject: Re: How to best protect your drive battery.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:29 pm 
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STS134 wrote:
Trex wrote:
STS134 wrote:
I think 85% is a bit high ...............


You have to take it into context of why I said it IMO which was "It basically puts the PHEV into a automatic reduced use of the battery mode".

Would you agree using the battery less decreases degradation?

Sure. Putting the voltage at 3.92 V/cell and storing the entire vehicle in a refrigerated garage and never driving it, decreases degradation even further though. :D


:lol: :lol:

STS134 wrote:

By the time Save mode kicks in, it's doing almost full regen.


This is from a test I did on fuel consumption where you can see the B5 results. Note, this was not pressing the brake pedal. Just using the paddles. This was my PHEV, your could be different.

Trex wrote:


Here are the results.

Press save button straight at start with full battery. 15 bars showing (out 16 ) on MMCS when finished test. 7.8L/100k Petrol motor never stopped. B5 15kw

Press Save at 13 bars. 14 bars showing (out 16 ) on MMCS when finished test. 7.8L/100k Petrol motor never stopped. B5 25kw

Press Save at 11 bars. 12 bars showing (out 16 ) on MMCS when finished test. 7.4L/100k Petrol motor stopped a couple of times B5 37kw



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 Post subject: Re: How to best protect your drive battery.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:47 pm 
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windymiller wrote:
But, as MM are God, I am inclined to believe all they say. ;)


:lol: :lol:

No MM are not God but their engineers are IMO. :lol: Note. I am a design engineer so I am bias. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: How to best protect your drive battery.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:26 pm 
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Trex wrote:
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Now that is as far as I will go with this TROLL.




Right ... no point to discuss with somebody that is good only on insulting people which have different opinion.

Anyhow ... it is a fact that you did mis-inform people about the battery degradation
You start this thread stating to don't worry about it ... that is in total contrast with the opinion of many other PHEV owners

You were basing your assumptions over your inaccurate tests:

1. 52.5kms Just after buying Phev early April 2014
2. 52.9kms 6ths months later ie October 2014
3. 51.8kms April 2015 Now this test had notable more traffic (some big area championships soccer games) ie stopped at traffic lights more than last 2
4. 53.0kms October 2015
5. 48.2kms January 2017 Battery condition was 86.05% according to EVBatmon.
6. 45.1kms February 2018 Battery condition was 78.68% according to EVBatmon. Geolander 4wd tyres fitted before this test.
7. 38.8kms December 2018 Battery condition was 72.11% according to EVBatmon.

Until December 2018, based on this partial data, you claim that SOH was not impacting much the EV range ... now, from Dec 2018, also from this weak data you can see that the impact is real. Anyhow ... in the above list, the relation between EV range and SOH ... is not proportional and very fuzzy... a sign that these test are quite useless .. since each drive has huge impact on the driving condition, driving style and the SOC before starting the trip (SOC after a battery charge can be between 105 % down to 96%)

Anyhow ... there is no need of any test run ...

The car allows to drive in EV mode as long the car believe there is 30% SOC left (or 25% in some conditions) .. and this is computed by the BMU based on the SOH .... so ... EV range without any test needed it is directly proportional to the SOH

PS: I hope the mod are reacting .... since it is not acceptable to be insulted ... and this is not the first time you openly insult me only for express my opinion !


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 Post subject: Re: How to best protect your drive battery.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:50 pm 
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elm70 wrote:
Anyhow ... it is a fact that you did mis-inform people about the battery degradation
You start this thread stating to don't worry about it ... that is in total contrast with the opinion of many other PHEV owners



I started this thread saying I do not worry about it. I will bring it in.

Trex wrote:
Ok, still seeing some people here worried about degradation of the drive battery and I am not just talking about any particular person. Hell even I think about it as I am at the moment dealing with Mitsubishi Australia to hopefully get mine replaced under warranty. But to me its not a worry just more of a hassle. I have to handle far bigger problems at work in my own business with far bigger costs involved. But I digress.



Another lie TROLL.

elm70 wrote:
You were basing your assumptions over your inaccurate tests:

1. 52.5kms Just after buying Phev early April 2014
2. 52.9kms 6ths months later ie October 2014
3. 51.8kms April 2015 Now this test had notable more traffic (some big area championships soccer games) ie stopped at traffic lights more than last 2
4. 53.0kms October 2015
5. 48.2kms January 2017 Battery condition was 86.05% according to EVBatmon.
6. 45.1kms February 2018 Battery condition was 78.68% according to EVBatmon. Geolander 4wd tyres fitted before this test.
7. 38.8kms December 2018 Battery condition was 72.11% according to EVBatmon.

Until December 2018, based on this partial data, you claim that SOH was not impacting much the EV range ...


December 2018? You could start seeing real world impacts from Jan 2017. :roll: Another lie TROLL.

I tell you what. Stay out of the threads I start and I will stay out of yours.


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 Post subject: Re: How to best protect your drive battery.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:45 am 
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I hope the moderator step in ... it is not acceptable to allow one forum user to openly insult another one !!!!

BTW ... insulting others is a sign of low IQ

Low IQ = poor maths

Assuming 52km = 100% SOH

6. 45.1kms February 2018 Battery condition was 78.68%

45.1km = 87% EV ideal range .. with only 78% SOH ... is much more EV range then expected

7. 38.8kms December 2018 Battery condition was 72.11%

38.8km = 74% EV ideal range ... that it is more in like with the 72% SOC


I don't have to dig your old posts ... you have been always stating to don't worry about SOH and range, etc etc .. and before Dec 2018 you used your little list for state that the SOH in this PHEV was not an issue at all ... PLUS ... blindly promoting the Mitsubishi Outlander

Not only you are insulting who has a different view then yours ... but your view is far away from being objective !


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 Post subject: Re: How to best protect your drive battery.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:03 am 
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elm70 wrote:
BTW ... insulting others is a sign of low IQ
Wrong! Or are you saying that Oscar Wilde and Winston Churchill, both of whom were partial to a good put-down, were of low IQ?

elm70 wrote:
Low IQ = poor maths
Wrong again! IQ is not a function of mathematical ability.

You should really get your facts straight before trying (and failing :lol:) to insult someone

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 Post subject: Re: How to best protect your drive battery.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:17 am 
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ThudnBlundr wrote:
elm70 wrote:
BTW ... insulting others is a sign of low IQ
Wrong! Or are you saying that Oscar Wilde and Winston Churchill, both of whom were partial to a good put-down, were of low IQ?

elm70 wrote:
Low IQ = poor maths
Wrong again! IQ is not a function of mathematical ability.

You should really get your facts straight before trying (and failing :lol:) to insult someone


I have no clue about Oscar or Winston if they did like or they were used to insult people
Nor it there is any prove that these two people had an high IQ ... be a powerful person or a poet does not implies to have high IQ

About IQ and maths ... yes IQ is much more then only maths, but there is no high IQ person which is maths retarded

Anyhow :

Are you saying that is smart to insult other people ?

Are you saying that smart people can be maths retarded ?

BTW: I'm not trying to insult anybody ... I just want remark that is unacceptable that somebody openly insult somebody ... else ... is that ok for you to openly insult other ? is this a way to make any construction conversation ? Moving from the analysis of the fact from "analysis" of the people that disclose facts ?


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 Post subject: Re: How to best protect your drive battery.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:14 pm 
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Careful guys... that's how wars start........


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 Post subject: Re: How to best protect your drive battery.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:31 pm 
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elm70 wrote:
I hope the moderator step in .............


OMG the LYING TROLL is back for more. :o

After I have expressly stated:

Trex wrote:

I tell you what. Stay out of the threads I start and I will stay out of yours.


as a way of diffusing this situation you don't give up. :roll:

I have proven time and time again you are a LYING TROLL so lets see whether I can do it again.

elm70 wrote:

BTW ... insulting others is a sign of low IQ



Well that's another LIE, TROLL. Some of the smartest people I know can insult dickheads without them knowing.

Now do want me to go on you LYING TROLL? I suggest you stop digging that hole.

As I have said before stay out of the threads I start and I will stay out of yours.


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