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 Post subject: Re: For people disappointed with Range in EV.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:52 pm 
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A PHEV is a PHEV and should not be compared with BEV and on this forum I often see the drift. Once we accept we are driving PHEV and have to put in petrol from time to time we are at peace !!


Hey Kesto, would that be "inner peace" ;) :lol: Hope you remember that movie. :)


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 Post subject: Re: For people disappointed with Range in EV.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:44 pm 
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The only real concern is when the car is out of warranty. Should it need any of the electronic bits or, heavens forbid, a battery cell, one is pretty well at the mercy of Mitsubishi dealers. Some of the prices for spares I have heard about are very scary......


Ok HHL to me that is not a big concern. For example you can get extended warranty or there may be aftermarket options or buy parts from a wrecked car etc. There are many ways to buy parts and not pay dealer prices.


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 Post subject: Re: For people disappointed with Range in EV.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:20 pm 
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elm70 wrote:
How much Mitsubishi Australia pays for promote the "brand" with disinformation?


8.6km/kwh even at 60km/h is not realistic, unless in a very long downhill

8.6km/kwh is 11.6kwh/100km... Everybody owning the PHEV watch dog knows well this consumption level is impossible

Trex, instead of insulting me as your usual, prove your words with a snapshot from the watch dog application, else as always is just hot air propaganda


So you come into the thread I started and insult me by saying Mitsubishi Australia is paying me to deliberately deceive by spreading false information (Disinformation) and then tell me not to insult you in return.

You have got to be kidding right? This must be a joke surely. Seriously, are you on drugs?

Did you even read what I wrote in that post like:
Trex wrote:
Now from underneath this image Mitsubishi state there is only 70% of our 12 kWh battery usable ie .7 x 12 = 8.4 kWh usable when our battery is new.

Trex wrote:
The image was from MMC and kindly provided to me by anko.


It is NOT me travelling at 60 kph and getting 8.6km/kwh it was just an example given by Mitsubishi in their Technical Training Guide and we do NOT know what speed they were travelling at. For all I know they could have been travelling around a racetrack at 30 kph.

If I do NOT get an apology from you I will be asking the MODS to remove you from this forum or if others here, that I respect, really think that Mitsubishi Australia is paying me to deliberately deceive by spreading false information, or even paying me at all, I will certainly leave this forum.


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 Post subject: Re: For people disappointed with Range in EV.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:59 am 
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I don't know who is on drugs and who might needs drugs ... let's keep this aside.

I don't believe that be paid by Mitsubishi it is an insult ... actually I believe people need to have some skills for be paid by them ... so ... I assumed I wasn't insulting anybody.

Anyhow ... the screen shot on page 1 here is very very unclear

Nowhere is stated 60km/h

There is picture showing 8.6km/kwh ... next to the 23.1km/l ... so it sounds this electric consumption was in conjunction with petrol usage .. so it is looking very wrong to assume this PHEV can make 73km in EV mode.

Anyhow ... what I don't understand is your need to overpride this Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV

I got the impression that you did all your best for pass the message that battery degradation is not an issue

And now here you try to state that the EV range is even better then the declared one of 52km.

People that owns this PHEV knows well what is the true ... it is enough to check on facebook on the PHEVwatchDOg page to see the real data data from real people.

I'm not trying to say that his PHEV is bad .... but we should not hide that the battery degradation it is a real concern in this PHEV

And range ... we should know that advertised 52km it is almost in ideal condition ... so, yes, it is an achievable range (it could be even possible to do better, driving very slow, or with a downhill in the path) ... but the reality is that EV range is normally less then 52km ... even without AC or cabin heating.

My personal record has been 48km ... that is not too bad for a 4y old PHEV ... and it was done in summer, with never going faster then 80km/h with most of the km done on a motorway and without any traffic or any stop and go situation.

Now in winter without AC and cabin heating ... if I do 35km in EV is already a "success" .. the normality is more 30km (without cabin heating .. yes I travel in a cold car , but with heated seats, for save fuel :ugeek: )

Anyhow ... winter is too generic ... when temperature is -5C .. EV range is noticeable less then when temperature is +5C

BTW: EV range is tricky ... sometime people/drive condition can use 75% of the battery ... sometime only 70% of the capacity ... sometime even less .. since if the car is not fresh charged .. the SOC is normally below 100% after few minutes or hours of rest from charging completed ... anyhow ... EV range is proportional to SOC and SOH ... and it needs lot of attention to manage less then 20kwh/100km ... so 5km/kwh is already a good result ... my record has been ~16kwh/100km ... that is around 6.25km/kwh .. that bring to a ideal max EV range with a 100% SOH and SOC .. to exactly 52.5km EV range ... exactly as advertised by Mitsubishi


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 Post subject: Re: For people disappointed with Range in EV.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:14 pm 
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Trex wrote:
HHL wrote:
The only real concern is when the car is out of warranty. Should it need any of the electronic bits or, heavens forbid, a battery cell, one is pretty well at the mercy of Mitsubishi dealers. Some of the prices for spares I have heard about are very scary......


Ok HHL to me that is not a big concern. For example you can get extended warranty or there may be aftermarket options or buy parts from a wrecked car etc. There are many ways to buy parts and not pay dealer prices.


That is true for mechanical bits, but I have found out from a friend who went down that route to install a wi-fi module, and they are coded to the vin number, only dealers (or some russian websites 8-) ) seem to have the tools (software) to install some electronic bits. Anyway, as time goes on there will probably be some solutions.


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 Post subject: Re: For people disappointed with Range in EV.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:10 pm 
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elm70 wrote:

I don't believe that be paid by Mitsubishi it is an insult ... actually I believe people need to have some skills for be paid by them ... so ... I assumed I wasn't insulting anybody.


Ok, you need to stop the BS now. You have accused me of being paid by Mitsubishi Australia for promoting the brand with disinformation. The meaning of disinformation is:- to deliberately deceive by spreading false information (disinformation) or false information spread deliberately to deceive (disinformation) . I have given you a chance to man up and give me an apology.

elm70 wrote:

And now here you try to state that the EV range is even better then the declared one of 52km.



I did NOT state this. This is BS again. I wrote:

Trex wrote:
Well for me I can only get the "advertised" range of about 50 kms (when the PHEV is new) in light traffic conditions ie not as many red lights or stopping. When I say the traffic is light I do not mean non existent. This is with no heating or A/C and good weather ie no rain etc.



This BS needs to stop now and I am getting in touch with the mods. This needs to be sorted once and for all IMHO.


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 Post subject: Re: For people disappointed with Range in EV.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:14 am 
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Speaking about BS

Trex wrote:
It is NOT me travelling at 60 kph and getting 8.6km/kwh it was just an example given by Mitsubishi in their Technical Training Guide and we do NOT know what speed they were travelling at. For all I know they could have been travelling around a racetrack at 30 kph.

If I do NOT get an apology from you I will be asking the MODS to remove you from this forum or if others here, that I respect, really think that Mitsubishi Australia is paying me to deliberately deceive by spreading false information, or even paying me at all, I will certainly leave this forum.


What is above, and in page 1 is 100% BS

See the reference picture below taken from page 1

The screen shot show an average EV consumption of 8.6km/kwh and 23.1km/L ... so .. the PHEV was using both battery and petrol.

So ... the possible EV range of 73km based on that data is 100% BS

For me the question is :

Do you spam BS intentionally or "by accident" ?
So .. you don't understand the PHEV which you own (not 1, you own 2 PHEVs, which is quite unique for somebody that has in theory nothing to do with Mitsubishi) ... or you like to make false propaganda ?

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 Post subject: Re: For people disappointed with Range in EV.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:25 am 
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I would like to remind members that I am not a moderator any more. So I will get a packet of popcorn and watch the show. However, as an ex-moderator I would like to remind the participants that this is just a forum about a car; taking the discussion down to politicians-brawl level is not really productive...

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 Post subject: Re: For people disappointed with Range in EV.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:34 pm 
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elm70 wrote:

The screen shot show an average EV consumption of 8.6km/kwh and 23.1km/L ... so .. the PHEV was using both battery and petrol.

So ... the possible EV range of 73km based on that data is 100% BS


:lol: :lol:

If you can travel slow enough to get at least 8.6km/kwh x the approx 8.4 kWh usable when our battery is new around a flat racetrack for example, for the entirety of the trip, you will get approx 73 kph of EV distance travelled.

elm70 wrote:
...... PHEV which you own (not 1, you own 2 PHEVs, which is quite unique for somebody that has in theory nothing to do with Mitsubishi) ...


Ok we might be getting to the gist of your problem here with me IMHO.

You are jealous of me I reckon. 8-) I have bought 2 PHEVs which my family love when you only bought one from memory. Yep I work hard running my own engineering business and can afford 2 PHEVs. :D

I actually might buy a 3rd PHEV when the new 2.4L Atkinson model gets here so my youngest son gets to drive one. :D

But then I will be still driving my manly ute. :roll: Plus I need that ute for work for picking up parts etc that get loaded and unloaded with a crane .

Cannot wait for Mitsubishi to bring out the Triton ute in a PHEV so I can buy one. Then I will be in heaven. :D Or :idea: I could cut the back roof off a Outlander PHEV and make it into a ute. :D That could be a plan. 8-)

Ok this will be the last communication I ever have with you as I will now be making you a FOE in the user control panel and your new comments and jealousy and lies will never show on my screen again. Thank god for that. :D

Sayonara. :lol:


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