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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:50 pm 
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The Wintracs are OK on snow, adequate on ice, but be careful on wet roads - they end up last in that discipline in most tests...
Whatever else, they will be better than summer tyres in any case.

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:29 pm 
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How about sand tyres?

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Low clearance and open diffs just make it a bit more challenging. Kids love it! :-)

Unfortunately in the image you see the moment the rear bumper hits the sand... no biggy :-)

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:05 am 
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Location: Inverness, Scotland, UK. 2014 GX4h with clear rear light lenses.
Just got to try my Falken Eurowinter HS01 225/55 R18 102V tyres in some actual snow and ice. Yes, we have actual snow in the Midlands - not a huge amount, but enough for RWD cars to have trouble getting up and down hills and general traffic chaos. Mind you, we have general traffic chaos in the middle of the summer too - that's why I want to move to Scotland. Just spent nearly an hour getting a Jaguar XK8 (RWD auto) back down a hill it couldn't get up, which caused a bit of general chaos.

Falken's perform really well, but then I expected them to. Tried over enthusistic acceleration, cornering and braking (obviously where safe to do so!) and all good. In fact didn't feel much different to normal use without the snow. Wasn't really able to identify any difference with traction control on or off, or using the 4X4 50% front 50% rear lock facility. Obviously I can't compare this to what may have occured with the 'summer' Toyo R37s as I can't be arsed to change them all over to find out. There were other 4X4s about who all seemed to be coping ok, so maybe conditions not really severe enough. It's about 1oC today. I'm pretty sure my Smart Fortwo (rear wheel drive auto) would haved coped fine on its winter tyres (Bridgestone Blizzacks) in these conditions.

I'm going to get my re-furbished OEM alloys and Falkens re-balanced though as I can detect a very slight wobble which doesn't happen with the Toyos. When the wheel man fitted the Falkens they were quite out of balance, requiring rather a lot of weights. He recommended having them re-balanced after a month of use as he was of the opinion that they will 'settle down' after some use. The manufacturing accuracy of large diameter 4X4 tyres, with reletively high sidewalls is more difficult than low profile car tyres.

There are in fact yellow paint blobs on the lower, outer tyre wall put there by Falken, indicating the tyres lightest balance point, that are ideally positioned as near the valve as possible to minimize the amount of weights that'll be needed. There's also a red blob, that indicates the high point for both 'radial runout' and 'radial force variation'. This should also be positioned next to the valve, and takes priority over the yellow blob. If it's a steel wheel there is apparently sometimes a dimple in the outer rim indicating the 'low point' of the wheel, to which these paint blobs should be aligned. To be honest I don't entirely understand all of this but hopefully tyre fitters do. Always assuming the paint blobs are still there.

Apparently, if your tyres have any blue, green purple, white, pink or orange paint blobs then they're of no further use to anyone as they are 'mystery' dots put there for factory production reasons. Some tyre manufacturers don't put any paint blobs on their tyres at all. So I'm guessing in this case you have to hope for the best, put up with the resulting wobbles, or take the tyre off again and re-position it on the rim differently.


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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:19 am 
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jaapv wrote:
The Wintracs are OK on snow, adequate on ice, but be careful on wet roads - they end up last in that discipline in most tests...
Whatever else, they will be better than summer tyres in any case.


It does seem to be a real minefield as to what to get, where and how etc. This is the test I saw before buying the Wintracs, so hopefully all will work out. http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Vrede ... Xtreme.htm

Looks like they are being delivered tomorrow, so just in time for the snow to disappear for the next four years!


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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:04 pm 
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Interesting conversation at kwik-fit today when changing over to winter tyres - I used them rather than stand in the cold & rain at my usual back street tyre shop for an hour, instead sitting in the warm for 2 with free coffee but same price, £15 per wheel :D

Anyway they would only do it "cash in hand" (and no receipt) as it company policy not to fit customers own parts - including tyres. So owners contemplating winter tyres might need to make sure they have someone willing to do the swaps. :o

Another less informed quote was regarding tyre age. They claimed the "shelf life" is ten years from the "dot date" but only 5 from fitting. Apart from the contradiction that you might buy tyres which are instantly "out of date", buyers should make sure they get recent "dot dates" as inevitably most winter tyres will do less mileage than summer ones and will need to be kept much longer before wearing out.


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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:23 pm 
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greendwarf wrote:
They claimed the "shelf life" is ten years from the "dot date" but only 5 from fitting. Apart from the contradiction that you might buy tyres which are instantly "out of date", ...
To be honest, I don't see the contradiction. You could buy a 4 year old tire and use it for the next 5 years. Then at the end, the dot date is 9 years in the past and the fitting date 5 years. Don't see a problem with that perse?
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..., buyers should make sure they get recent "dot dates" as inevitably most winter tyres will do less mileage than summer ones and will need to be kept much longer before wearing out.
Looking for winter tires for my new Ampera E, I stumbled on a site that offered new tires that were DOT2013. I thought that was outrages, but on this web site, they claimed that in the tire industry unused tires are considered 'new tires' up to 5 years after the DOT date.


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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:24 am 
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The contradiction is that the "fitting date" is only known at the date of purchase. Their line was that they try to persuade customers to change tyres that they see with a dot date older than 5 years, even if they have only been "off the self" for a short period.


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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:21 am 
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Sorry, still don't see how you can buy tires that are instantly out of date, when they are valid 10 years after DOT and 5 years after first fitting. Unless they were already out of date before you bought them. Never mind, must be me ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:04 pm 
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Any recommendations for a retailer/fitter for winter tyres north of the border (Glasgow)?

I could do with next day delivery so I can get them fitted for a long drive on Saturday.

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:57 am 
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Location: Inverness, Scotland, UK. 2014 GX4h with clear rear light lenses.
As mentioned previously..."I'm going to get my re-furbished OEM alloys and Falkens re-balanced though as I can detect a very slight wobble which doesn't happen with the Toyos. When the wheel man fitted the Falkens they were quite out of balance, requiring rather a lot of weights. He recommended having them re-balanced after a month of use as he was of the opinion that they will 'settle down' after some use. The manufacturing accuracy of large diameter 4X4 tyres, with reletively high sidewalls is more difficult than low profile car tyres".

Hmm, well not all going that well at the moment. I took my wheels and tyres to my local HiQ to be 're-balanced' today and the fitter reckoned that three of them had so many weights on them that there must be something wrong with either the tyres or the rims (I seriously hope not the rims!). As far as I'm aware there's less likelyhood of it being the OEM rims as they looked virtually new when I got them, not even been curbed, and the re-furb/powder coating specialist checked them for any damage or bends and reckoned they were absolutely fine. They certainly looked a lot better than most of the other rims he had in his workshop for refurbishment. So going to take the Falken off the rim that had the most weights fitted, fit a spare Toyo R37 that I have and see how far out it is. The assumption being that if the rim is ok with the R37 on it then it must be the Falkens at fault.

What a pain in the arse though. I'm not at all happy about this...

UPDATE: Tried a Toyo R37 on the rim with the most weights and it would require half the amount of weight to balance the Toyo than it does the Falken - Toyo 100 grammes, Falken 200 grammes. Had further discussion with the wheel refurbishment man and he said rims were like new - much better than what he normally has to deal with. So looks like the Falken's are to blame then... basically, they're too lumpy and bumpy to balance properly. Now I'm expecting protracted and possibly difficult communications with mytyres.co.uk who supplied the Falkens, as I've done 500 miles on them already. I'm also expecting to pay even more money for some 'premium' quality winter tyres. :roll:


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