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Now it's November the excitement is really mounting I can tell you. The costs are too, but then I had budgeted for this. Am in the process of getting the OEM wheels powder coated in silver to give the best resistance possible against salt 'n' slush attack. This is going to cost me £240 for four wheels, although that does include re-fitting/balancing of the new tyres. I've plumped for a set of Falken Eurowinter HS01 225/55 R18 102V at a cost of £429 for four (ordered from mytyres - assuming that they actually have them in stock, they haven't told me yet that they haven't. So that's all good). The HS01 is apparently well suited to SUV application, I'll let you know. The four OEM alloys (S/H from ebay, from a 2014 PHEV) cost me £530 - they look in almost new condition and the wheel refurbishment company reckoned they looked undamaged. I still have to buy a set of valves from Mitsubishi at around £129 for four.

As far as I know my local Mitsubishi dealer will programme/switch the new valves into 'winter' mode to suit the TPMS system for free. So total should come to £1328. Not an inconsiderable sum then. My consolation is that it's a one-off purchase and as I intend to keep the car for a long time and move to Scotland I'll be needing them. Also will preserve the diamond polished lacquer finish on my 'summer' wheels which are all currently unmarked. I'd rather have alloys for winter use as I've had steels on my Smart car for winter for many years and despite the high quality Mercedes Benz paint finish it's really hard to prevent them from going rusty, and then they don't look very nice.
 
Good luck with it. I too am a winter tyres convert.
My Merc GLC has a separate set of rims and Pirelli Scorpions - I'm in the Alps 3-4 times a season. The difference on snow/ice is astonishing.
My PHEV tends to be a London car (so can't justify separate tyres and rims) but quite excited that the Michelin Crossclimate is now available in 225/55 R18 which will be my next rubber.
 
When you fit the CrossClimate, I'll be interested whether you notice any impact on electric range. It likely has greater rolling resistance than the OE tyre.

Steve
 
Interesting point but I suspect the difference is marginal and my trips are typically very short (less than 10 miles) so well within existing range.
In any event, I would happily trade the efficiency loss for safety gain for the odd early winter morning trip out of town.
I intend buying them next spring once my current rubber (supplied Toyos) is due for replacement.
Also the price (around £170) is high which I think is, at least partly, due to the recent introduction in this size.
 
And having just checked, my current Toyo Proxes are rated E for fuel efficiency.
The Crossclimates in 225/55 R18 don't yet have a rating but the other sizes are all B or C.
So more rather than less efficient.
 
NightPHEVer said:
Now it's November the excitement is really mounting I can tell you. The costs are too, but then I had budgeted for this. Am in the process of getting the OEM wheels powder coated in silver to give the best resistance possible against salt 'n' slush attack. This is going to cost me £240 for four wheels, although that does include re-fitting/balancing of the new tyres. I've plumped for a set of Falken Eurowinter HS01 225/55 R18 102V at a cost of £429 for four (ordered from mytyres - assuming that they actually have them in stock, they haven't told me yet that they haven't. So that's all good). The HS01 is apparently well suited to SUV application, I'll let you know. The four OEM alloys (S/H from ebay, from a 2014 PHEV) cost me £530 - they look in almost new condition and the wheel refurbishment company reckoned they looked undamaged. I still have to buy a set of valves from Mitsubishi at around £129 for four.

As far as I know my local Mitsubishi dealer will programme/switch the new valves into 'winter' mode to suit the TPMS system for free. So total should come to £1328. Not an inconsiderable sum then. My consolation is that it's a one-off purchase and as I intend to keep the car for a long time and move to Scotland I'll be needing them. Also will preserve the diamond polished lacquer finish on my 'summer' wheels which are all currently unmarked. I'd rather have alloys for winter use as I've had steels on my Smart car for winter for many years and despite the high quality Mercedes Benz paint finish it's really hard to prevent them from going rusty, and then they don't look very nice.
AFAIK the Mitsubishi wheels are salt-resistant already - so belt-and-suspenders. ;)
 
I had 4 Vredestein Quatrac 5 (all season) fitted a couple of weeks ago.

I'd have gone for Michelin Cross Climate's if I'd found them available at the time of order but the Vredesteins seem to get pretty good reviews as all season tyres with Mud and Snow ratings, and low rolling resistance like the Michelins.

Despite the cooler overnight temperatures I seem to be getting about 10% better range than with the Toyos.

I ordered the tyres online via 'MyTyres' and they were shipped from Germany to a local fitter who put 4 on for less than £50. The fitter also offered to store the Toyos (only 10,000 miles on them) free for a year in case of punctures or the like.

Very happy with the tyres so far.

JimB
 
The wheel refinishing specialist who's powder coating my wheels reckons that the factory finish is powder coating not paint, so should indeed have a good resistance to corrosion, but once the clear coat finish on the diamond polished surface gets any scuffing or scratches the corrosion starts to creep underneath the lacquer. I had this very problem on my Jeep Cherokee. When I dropped of my PHEV wheels he was in the process of re-finishing a quantity of OEM Nissan diamond polished/lacquered wheels with plain silver powder coating instead, for this very reason. All had signs of corrosion on the clear lacqured bits. Maybe with Nissan the lacquers not as good as Mitsubishi?

I do look after my wheels (regularly take them off to clean them!) and my OEM 'summer' wheels look as new after three years, so I've every chance of the finish of my 'winter' wheels looking its best for as long as possible. I think I may have some sort of alloy wheel fetish and would probably benefit from some sort of medical advice in this matter. On the other hand they're not exactly cheap, so I don't think it's that strange to maintain them to this level.
 
The Jeep Cherokee is notorious for corroding wheels.
My PHEV winter wheels (standard Mitsubishi) are just fine after three salty seasons, despite sloppy-parking scuffs.
 
My God the excitement is almost unbearable! (yes, perhaps I should get out more) Even the weather's a bit cold at the moment... Have now got 4X Falken Eurowinter HS01 225/55 R18 102V tyres, my OEM 18" wheels powdered coated in silver and my Mitsubishi TPMS valves (part No.4250C477). The only thing I discovered that I haven't got (just before I was about to take the tyres to be fitted) were the 4X 'nuts' needed to attach the valves to the wheels. Part No.4250C477 doesn't include the retaining nut even though there's a picture of it on the fitting instructions! The retaining nut part No. is 4250B976 and they cost £1.73 each, should anyone need to know. Obviously if you were just relpacing the TPMS valve you'd already have the retaining nut on the existing wheel, so you wouldn't need a new one, but I purchased my wheels from ebay and they didn't still have the valve or nut on them. :roll:

All that's left to do then is to get my local Mitsubishi dealer to code the TPMS valves to connect with the ECU. I've already found the bit on the 'setting menu' in the centre of the dash where the 'summers' are switched to the 'winters'. There's a handy video on youtube showing how it's done too. My dealer also informed today there is some sort of recall on the ECU (which isn't the spark plug recall that I had done last week). Something to do with the wifi needing 14 digits instead of 12?
 
You are, of course, aware it will now be the warmest winter on record with temperatures consistently above 7 degrees....
 
Yes, probably. Where I live we didn't actually have any snow at all last year. Although we have had quite a bit in the past and everywhere pretty much grinds to a halt. ObviousIy I regularly inform (bore?) people with the fact that 'winter' tyres are not just about snow, but I have noticed a slightly glazed expression is often the result. In fact most people glaze over if I talk about tyres at all really. Judging by the amount of bald ones I see (tyres, not people) quite a lot of driver's clearly have no idea what tyres are actually for, and no understanding of the fact that if they were involved in a crash while using bald tyres, their insurance is quite likely to be invalid.

I used to have a Jeep Cherokee and when we had snow I either just didn't go out or if I did, spent my time towing people out of ditches and up hills. Especially BMWs and Mercs which in the past were mostly RWD, sometimes they had tread on their tyres to start with but then burnt most of it off wheelspinning on the ice! My intention is though to move to the Scottish Highlands and of all the places I can think of in the UK this is definitely your best bet for snow and ice. And some of those Highland roads are not somewhere you'd want to find yourself sliding about too much - you probably wouldn't be found until the next spring.
 
Indeed. I often leave London at between 0500-0700 when the temperature can be surprisingly low and winter tyres can make a huge difference.
 
Claymore said:
I had 4 Vredestein Quatrac 5 (all season) fitted a couple of weeks ago.

I'd have gone for Michelin Cross Climate's if I'd found them available at the time of order but the Vredesteins seem to get pretty good reviews as all season tyres with Mud and Snow ratings, and low rolling resistance like the Michelins.

Despite the cooler overnight temperatures I seem to be getting about 10% better range than with the Toyos.

I ordered the tyres online via 'MyTyres' and they were shipped from Germany to a local fitter who put 4 on for less than £50. The fitter also offered to store the Toyos (only 10,000 miles on them) free for a year in case of punctures or the like.

Very happy with the tyres so far.

JimB
This echoes my experience. The Michelins were supposed to be available by early December, which I translate as "sometime next spring" so I ordered the Vredesteins instead. Less expensive too.
 
I now have my Falken's fitted, they seem pretty much round and black, although a lot of balancing was needed. The fitter suggested I ran them for a month and then had them re-balanced as less weights (the stick-on type) should be needed. Although he was reluctant to put any of the heavier, clamp-on type weights onto the inside edge of the immaculate new powder coated rims which, I notice Mitsubishi had been prepared to use on the OEM R37 Toyo rims. He was of the opinion that all 4X4 tyres are a bit of a pain when it come to balancing - no matter how much they cost.

I put the new wheel/tyre combination on the PHEV today and then took a short drive. Up to 80mph All seems good to me. Tyres a bit noisier at low speed but otherwise feel pretty much the same as the R37 Toyos.

Two Questions have now arisen: 1) With four new Mitsubishi TPMS valves fitted to the 'new' OEM wheels/Falkens I was led to believe that I would get a 'tyre pressure warning' er, warning from the PHEV, as the 'summer' wheels are now in my garage and not on the PHEV. No such warning has materialised yet though. The new TPMS valves haven't yet been programmed into the ECU, doing that on Monday. I definitely have the TPMS system fitted as the existing valves are all metal and the selector (which is still on '1') is on the menu next to the speedo.

2) The Mitsubishi dealer told me last week that each tyre/wheel combination is numbered to the ECU. ie. 1-2-3-4 for each individual wheel, so when the wheels are removed you have to mark on the wheel which one is in which position, otherwise when you replace them next year the system won't work, or will give false readings. Not heard anybody mention this before - is this true? In the past main dealers have always had a thing about rotating the position of tyres/wheels to encourage even wear - or is this no longer the case?
 
NightPHEVer said:
2) The Mitsubishi dealer told me last week that each tyre/wheel combination is numbered to the ECU. ie. 1-2-3-4 for each individual wheel, so when the wheels are removed you have to mark on the wheel which one is in which position, otherwise when you replace them next year the system won't work, or will give false readings. Not heard anybody mention this before - is this true? In the past main dealers have always had a thing about rotating the position of tyres/wheels to encourage even wear - or is this no longer the case?

Sounds like rubbish to me, as my wheels have been swapped around without any warnings - and I definitely have TPMS, as numerous slow punctures testify to :lol: . Unless this has changed on later versions (mine is 2014) the warning never indicates which wheel is faulty, so this sounds like just another dealer not actually understanding his product - perhaps other Mitsu models can and have confused him.
 
Winter Falken Eurowinter HS01's are directional but R37 Toyo's aren't. I've just noticed on googling PHEV TPMS that there's a thread on this very subject from 2014-15. The question about the tyres/wheels position was bought up then too...

Caveman said:
My local MMC dealer is going to code in the new sensors next week, however ( finally I get to the point!) they said that the sensors are coded to a particular location on the car and so I should ensure that wheels are clearly marked where they were fitted when I change the wheels over to avoid sensor errors in the future. Does this fit with what other people have been told or experienced ? I can see that it would be incredibly time consuming to try all 10 possible wheel layouts if this is the case and you haven't marked them when you changed !

Steve

Nobody seemed then to know the answer though...

Upon reading all of this TPMS thread though it looks as though my 'winter' valves may or may not cause a warning to be displayed. Or they might next time I drive the car! I'm getting the new ones programmed in tomorrow at my local Mitsubishi dealer. Presumably I don't need to take the 'summer' tyres/wheels with me too? The menu setting is still on '1' at the moment.

UPDATE: 'TPMS service required' warning then did appear when I switched PHEV on the next day. New TPMS valves now successfully tuned-in. Took my local Mitsubishi dealer a bit longer than they'd hoped for as they'd never done a second set before. They charged me £36.00 (half an hour) to tune them in to the ECU. I was given an explanation about the positioning of each TPMS, which was something to do with the dealer's Mitsubishi diagnostics being able to detect - in the event of a warning being displayed - which actual tyre (if it had a very slow deflation) or indeed faulty TPMS valve - was causing the warning to display. ie. the diagnostics would highlight 'offside rear wheel' for instance, and if the 'offside rear wheel' was no longer in its originally programmed position the diagnostics wouldn't be able to identify which wheel had the fault (I think).
 
Just had my winter tyres/wheels put back on, as I had to take Phoebe in to get the recall work done. As far as I'm aware, there is no need to replace the tyres in the same place. I've swapped over a few times now (both at Mitsubishi garage and an independent), and no-one has ever asked/told me differently, so it's very unlikely they've always gone back in the same place!
When I drove off from the garage, there was no TPMS warning, so I assumed they had re-set the TPMS to 'set 2' (i.e. the winter set), but after about 20 minutes, the TPMS warning came up.... I had assumed it would happen much more quickly than that. Anyway, when I got home, I discovered it was just that they had left it on 'set 1', and so I changed it to 'set 2' in the menu settings, and that seems to have sorted it....
 
I followed this thread when it first started in 2014 but haven't thought abut winter tyres for a while.

Can anyone summarise the issues of swapping tyres on the same set of rims? I know some people have purchased a second set of alloys to avoid swapping the tyres every 6 months, but I'm not convinced I can justify the expense as well as the tyres.

Is there any significant problem (apart from tyre storage) of swapping to winters on the same rims?
 
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