Hi Sailordoc,Sailordoc said:I’ve read many times that the PHEV cannot handle cross-axle situations due to the open diffs. Has anyone come across any YouTube or similar footage demonstrating this? I’ve tried a few searches but nothing relevant comes up.
Thanks for the video.Trex said:I put this on here last year I think showing cross-axle slip and showing how I get out of it from what I was taught from my dad ie "TURN THE BLOODY STEERING WHEEL SON" he would say :lol:
TonyL said:
Exactly.generaltso said:That's not a PHEV.TonyL said:I think this is what you are looking for.
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Phevy said:Exactly.generaltso said:That's not a PHEV.
So is the PHEV S-AWC the same or not?
Did someone do this test with a PHEV?
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I've seen this video, but the driver is not letting the wheel spin fast enough and long enough for the S-AWC to kick in :!:generaltso said:Phevy said:Exactly.
So is the PHEV S-AWC the same or not?
Did someone do this test with a PHEV?
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The S-AWC system in the PHEV is not the same. I haven’t seen any videos of anyone doing that same test with a PHEV. This is probably the closest thing:...
Trex said:Hi Sailordoc,Sailordoc said:I’ve read many times that the PHEV cannot handle cross-axle situations due to the open diffs. Has anyone come across any YouTube or similar footage demonstrating this? I’ve tried a few searches but nothing relevant comes up.
I put this on here last year I think showing cross-axle slip and showing how I get out of it from what I was taught from my dad ie "TURN THE BLOODY STEERING WHEEL SON" he would say :lol:
Here my oldest son is practising while my youngest son films. So passing the knowledge on.
Click on the image.
The motor noise is from a diesel front end loader in the background used to make the 2 mounds of dirt.
Was it you that PMed me about the Geolandars tyres?
Regards Trex.
jaapv said:It's a first generation one, those had no cross-axle braking. In this case, half-pulling the handbrake might have been a solution.
jaapv said:It is very simple: if the sticker on your rear window says "4WD" it can be cross-axled. If it says "S-AWC" it has a braking system to stop spinning wheels.
Trex said:Was it you that PMed me about the Geolandars tyres?
Regards Trex.
Sailordoc said:Yes, it was me that PMed you about the Geolandar. Very happy with them - they have dealt with wet mud very well and were excellent on snow too
Sailordoc said:Oh dear! That is very bad news. I wonder why they omitted such a basic function of all wheel drive design? It is a shame, but there you are. The car has already depreciated by 60% in a bit over 2.5 years, so I guess it is a question of either live with the serious design flaw or swallow the loss and move to a proper AWD car such as the Discovery Sport. Something to ponder for a while before making a decision I suspect. One thing is certain - after seeing the depreciation on the PHEV I’ll never buy another one!
Trex said:Trex said:Was it you that PMed me about the Geolandars tyres?
Regards Trex.
Sailordoc said:Yes, it was me that PMed you about the Geolandar. Very happy with them - they have dealt with wet mud very well and were excellent on snow too
Glad you like them. They work well for me as well. That movie I showed was with the old original tyres. The new ones have heaps more traction for me.
Sailordoc said:Oh dear! That is very bad news. I wonder why they omitted such a basic function of all wheel drive design? It is a shame, but there you are. The car has already depreciated by 60% in a bit over 2.5 years, so I guess it is a question of either live with the serious design flaw or swallow the loss and move to a proper AWD car such as the Discovery Sport. Something to ponder for a while before making a decision I suspect. One thing is certain - after seeing the depreciation on the PHEV I’ll never buy another one!
Now I have not checked whether Jaav is correct or not about the braking system to stop the spinning wheel but it does not worry me if he was right. Spinning wheels to gain traction is not what you should do anyway IMO.
When the wheels start to spin you should be turning that steering wheel to gain back traction is what I was taught. Just like my son was practising in that movie I brought in.
A good driver like my dad (the best I have seen in real life, up close, and was a rally car driver) could take cars places others thought impossible and no fancy diff locks or electronic traction control aids to help him. But he always used good tyres.
Now you IMO have some really good tyres on the PHEV now. Are you having trouble with cross-axle traction on the PHEV since you put them on as it sounds like you are going off road with the PHEV?
BTW I know about the depreciation but I am buying another one. I will have 2 PHEVS. Depreciation only matters to me when I sell them and that is around the 10 year mark for me. Will cross that bridge when I come to it.
Regards Trex.
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