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 Post subject: Re: GS Yuasa drive battery in the PHEV. Lets discuss.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:20 pm 
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AndyH wrote:
Trex wrote:

Er AndyH,

You do realise you have 80 of them in your own PHEV. ;)

Sure mate - let me just crawl under the car with a couple of sockets, drop the pack on my arm, and take my only car off-line while I torture test a cell with my remaining hand. :lol: I'll be in the battery box, but not during my first month of ownership. ;) Andy


:lol: :lol:

Er Andy,

You do realise they make those hydraulic jacks with those little wheels.......... ;)

But seriously. I wonder who will be in the battery box first. You or me. My warranty runs out sooner but you may be more inquisitive and not care about the warranty. :)

Trex.


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 Post subject: Re: GS Yuasa drive battery in the PHEV. Lets discuss.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:28 pm 
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Esparza wrote:
The phev has not LEV50, the cells are thinner. Less layers less capacity.
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Sorry Esparza,

Not sure we can tell from those images.

One battery is closer to the camera I think so not very scientific IMO.

Will have a closer look at it later and see if we can work out some ratios to prove or disprove.

Where is the bottom image from?


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 Post subject: Re: GS Yuasa drive battery in the PHEV. Lets discuss.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:38 am 
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You can tell the difference from the connectors.

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 Post subject: Re: GS Yuasa drive battery in the PHEV. Lets discuss.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:58 am 
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I think there is no doubt that our PHEV is not using LEV50 nor LEV50N

Our PHEV battery is not shown anywhere

We can only assumed that based on capacity, format, size, etc that our battert is a LEV40, or in other words, the downsizings of the LEV50 (maybe LEV50N for post 2016 PHEV), still I believe the nominal capacity of our PHEV battery is 40Ah but Mitsubishi decided to use (or better tune the BMU) as it is 38Ah for make more simple the software in charge of estimate range, when to switch to ICE mode, etc


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 Post subject: Re: GS Yuasa drive battery in the PHEV. Lets discuss.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:01 am 
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As jaapv said look at the connectors. The bottom image is from a LEV50 that i have at home.


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 Post subject: Re: GS Yuasa drive battery in the PHEV. Lets discuss.
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Esparza wrote:
As jaapv said look at the connectors. The bottom image is from a LEV50 that i have at home.


LEV50 or LEV50N ie how old is your battery. From an I-miev?


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 Post subject: Re: GS Yuasa drive battery in the PHEV. Lets discuss.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:30 pm 
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I would assume the PHEV has a cell designed specifically for a PHEV application, being a cell that trades off energy density for power density. PHEV applications go through significantly more cycles and faster average charge/discharge C-rates than most common EVs, so need to be manufactured to handle the power requirements while maintaining a good cycle life.

Keep in mind the dimensions may not be 20% smaller than an LEV50 cell. An example of this is 18650s, where you can buy a 2500mAh cell capable of 20A, or a 3200mAh cell capable of 10A. Same dimensions but constructed for different output characteristics. The 2500mAh cell would have thicker layers to handle higher current reliably over many cycles, so can not fit as many winds within the same casing which lowers capacity.

Trex if you are planning to dismantle a PHEV battery please let me help!

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 Post subject: Re: GS Yuasa drive battery in the PHEV. Lets discuss.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:43 am 
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ScottyDont wrote:
An example of this is 18650s, where you can buy a 2500mAh cell capable of 20A, or a 3200mAh cell capable of 10A. Same dimensions but constructed for different output characteristics. The 2500mAh cell would have thicker layers to handle higher current reliably over many cycles, so can not fit as many winds within the same casing which lowers capacity.
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Talking about 18650's this could be our guy: Authentic AWT IMR 18650 battery 3500mah 40A :D

But I think 26650's would fit best in the PHEV battery pack's housing and might be a direct replacement for the square shape LEV40's. Probably some (if not much!) weight saving also possible here, along with better cooling abilities due to the round shape.


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 Post subject: Re: GS Yuasa drive battery in the PHEV. Lets discuss.
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If from a frien, i dont know if its LEV50 or LEV50N but its from a i-Miev.

ScottyDont that its true, but the I-miev has an output power of 60kW, same that the phev in EV mode so in this case that is not a desing factor.


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 Post subject: Re: GS Yuasa drive battery in the PHEV. Lets discuss.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:13 pm 
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ScottyDont wrote:

Trex if you are planning to dismantle a PHEV battery please let me help!

Cheers,
Scott


Not planning to dismantle it just yet Scott. Still have 1 year warranty on the battery left I think. 5yr warranty here from memory.

ScottyDont, reminds me when I bought the PHEV. Trex don't buy the PHEV was all I heard from my family. Now I cannot get them out of it. :roll:

Regards Trex.


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