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 Post subject: Re: Considering a PHEV
PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:00 pm 
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The Audi is proving very expensive to run, hence looking for a better alternative. With all the hype on electric and hybrids I just wondered how practical it would be and how much savings I could make on the running costs.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering a PHEV
PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:46 pm 
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anko wrote:
Just did a short check in the way home.

Regen in B5 with no brakes at 80 km/h resulted in 32 kW. Traffic conditions during the short test did not really allow me to hit the brakes at 80 km/h ;-)

Generated power in any B setting was not very constant due to windy conditions. Varying between 6 and 11 kW. So far less than normal regen in B5. Also fuel consumption was very constant and totally independent of B setting. About 11.0 l/100km. To me this means that the amount of power generated by the generator does not depend on the B-setting, but only on driving conditions.


It could be my imagination that B setting have an impact on the recharging speed.

But I can't explain why driving in B0 mode with charge pressed I got 9.5l/100km for multiple days
And when I move to B3 I got 7.5l/100km .. and I was driving even faster
Driving style was having charge all the time on, unless I have gain enough range for drive more then 10km in EV mode or more then what was needed for arrive at destination and have few km EV range left ... personally I don't believe much on the "short" charge-discharge cycle that auto mode does when charge is not pressed

In both cases under brake, I was always switching to B0
This was done during the 3 weeks that I had no access to the charger for my PHEV

The simple test is to have 50% or even less battery SOC .. press charge ... set B0 ... and have the car standing still (so with brake pedal pressed and motor running, if car is in P ... I guess it goes back to B2) .. and use EvBatMon or similar for check the ICE RPM .. and then in same condition set B5 and verify ... I believe even without EvBatMon, it should be sounding different the engine, since it should be almost double power for the ICE in B5 then on B0

Also another hint that made me believe on B setting on charging efficiency ... it is the fact that when cruise control is enabled, B0 and B1 are not allowed


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 Post subject: Re: Considering a PHEV
PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:52 am 
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elm70 wrote:
it is the fact that when cruise control is enabled, B0 and B1 are not allowed


I would have thought that is more about giving cruise control the ability to keep the steady speed on downhill sections. In an ICE care, you get the engine breaking but obviously in the phev this is absent.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering a PHEV
PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:36 am 
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Lance wrote:
elm70 wrote:
it is the fact that when cruise control is enabled, B0 and B1 are not allowed


I would have thought that is more about giving cruise control the ability to keep the steady speed on downhill sections. In an ICE care, you get the engine breaking but obviously in the phev this is absent.


Quite true. In fact, the selected "B" level is the maximum braking that the non-adaptive cruise control will ever apply to slow the car down. I drive on CC most of the time and almost got caught out the first time I entered my home town which is approached down a long, straight, moderately steep hill with speed cameras near the bottom. I had the car set to the default "B2" level and it started to run away down the hill. I have to turn it up to B5 in order to keep within the speed limit on the way down. The same applies to the speed limiter - driving around Southampton, I always have it set to 30mph (following the receipt of a speeding ticket last year) - but there is a downhill I have to cross frequently and it will run away unless I have it set to B5.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering a PHEV
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:08 am 
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Hi Folks,

Maybe this has been discussed but I said I would put up my details.

I'm looking at purchasing a PHEV for my wife and myself at the weekends.
We want a bigger vehicle for the dropping kids to the creche/childminder and all the cr#p they have at the weekends etc. Buggies/bikes etc
Also it would be nice to have a bigger vehicle :D

I have spotted and test drove a car already in Ireland:
Year: 2015
Spec: GX 4HS
Country of Origin: UK Import
Warranty: 2 years (Mitsubishi Cover)

My wife has to test drive it yet.

Weekday Commute:

She has a daily commute of 20km (10 out and 10 back) - 100Km a week

So I'm thinking this car is ideal, as She can charge at home every 2nd night.
I have an outside 3 pin plug already on the house, so not thinking of getting a charger outlet fitted. it takes 8hrs correct?

Cost of my unit rate is €0.19
What would be the cost to charge from flat per charge?

Weekends:
On the weekends, it will be city driving mostly (20K a day) with every month a trip of 114Km each way (90Km motorway driving).
Quick Charge Point Available here for free (80%) and possibly overnight free at the end point.

Summer time a trip of 70Km one way, every weekend with free charging there when in situ.
5-10km driving a day on the weekend. Beach/shops etc.
Prob no cost here also as charging is free.

Thoughts:
Im thinking its an ideal fit and the only major cost will be the long trip of 114km.

Buying the car:
What do i need to ask the dealer?
- Car watch outs
- Battery Query (Is there a test to check the battery or cert
- Servicing (what is the recomended service interval and approx cost)

Sorry for the long detail but i think its an ideal suit for us.
I've seen lots on conserving Battery but it looks like i should be ok.

Any thoughts comments would be great.

Will


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 Post subject: Re: Considering a PHEV
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:17 am 
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How many kids? You may not be able to put three child seats next to each other on the back seat.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering a PHEV
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:21 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Considering a PHEV
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:29 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Considering a PHEV
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:11 pm 
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1. Better to charge every night. 40 km is pushing it and you won't make it in winter
2 cost: about 1.80€
3. Don't buy a car without a dealer battery report. There are no specific weak points.
4. Over here the service interval is 20.000 km and about 300€ excluding oil etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Considering a PHEV
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