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 Post subject: Re: The true about battery degrdation in the Outlander PHEV
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:38 pm 
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ChrisMiller wrote:
richr wrote:
given the £500 a year I'm saving in VED, that offsets than somewhat.

Is that a typo for £300? It sounds very high, unless you were driving a RR Phantom :)


Nope - 2005 registered car with CO2 emissions of 233g/km was £520 last year. Bit of a difference to my PHEV at £0 :)

My wife's 2008 VW Caravelle 2.5 TDI is £555 this year (257g/km CO2), yet my 1991 Mitsubishi Pajero 2.5 (mechanical injection diesel producing a whopping 90bhp) is only £255 because it's before emissions related car tax was introduced...

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 Post subject: Re: The true about battery degrdation in the Outlander PHEV
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:59 pm 
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richr wrote:
ChrisMiller wrote:
richr wrote:
given the £500 a year I'm saving in VED, that offsets than somewhat.

Is that a typo for £300? It sounds very high, unless you were driving a RR Phantom :)


Nope - 2005 registered car with CO2 emissions of 233g/km was £520 last year. Bit of a difference to my PHEV at £0 :)

My wife's 2008 VW Caravelle 2.5 TDI is £555 this year (257g/km CO2), yet my 1991 Mitsubishi Pajero 2.5 (mechanical injection diesel producing a whopping 90bhp) is only £255 because it's before emissions related car tax was introduced...


Mmmm, good, isn't it? Our 4.5 litre turbo charged Landcruiser is also sub-£300! We are nursing that car along - hope it will outlast me!


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 Post subject: Re: The true about battery degrdation in the Outlander PHEV
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:35 pm 
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My oldest son who drive my first PHEV and comes on here lurking ( he is not a member) said to me when he saw the title of this thread:

"I want the true.................. You can't handle the true!" and he was, and my other son, cracking up laughing. Ah, kids can be cruel sometimes. :roll: For those who have not seen it he was referencing the movie A Few Good Men. The sons love that movie. You should probably fix that title to stop people laughing at you IMO.

Now onto the topic. Have any of those data points in the graphs had their BMU recalibrated. Because as we know the BMU is guessing its SOH unless its recalibrated every now and again.

As I said over in technical:

Trex wrote:
Now this was posted Sun Dec 27, 2015 so nearly 2 years after it was built my oldest PHEV that we did not baby is approx the same as my new PHEV that we do. :roll:

Do I think my new PHEV is degraded this bad for real? No I do not. I think the BMU is being very pessimistic on the new PHEVs as some around here have noticed including the person I quoted above.

Will I bother to get my BMU recalibrated at this stage? Not sure. I may wait to see because it is not effecting the range we need while EVing but I would love to know for sure like the person I quoted above just to satisfy my curiosity. :geek:



I would not like to see people going off half cocked around here till we know for sure IMO.

Or they could be using batteries on the new models that are not as good a quality as the batteries on the old model but I think that unlikely.


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 Post subject: Re: The true about battery degrdation in the Outlander PHEV
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:01 pm 
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ThudnBlundr wrote:
maby wrote:
Speaking as a PHEV owner, I maintain that in the absence of some very significant tax incentives the car does not make sense for the majority of people. Its EV range is so short that you will only really save on running costs if your usage is almost exclusively short distance urban commutes - in which case a compact pure EV will fill the bill and be cheaper to purchase. It's not a particularly good off-roader and if you take it out into the country away from mains power you will be running primarily on petrol, so you may as well buy a Jeep and get a proper 4x4.

I couldn't disagree more. We already have a small EV, but needed a car to replace our family car. With the kids now at Uni, we needed something that could potter around cheaply at home doing local journeys, but also something that could do long journeys to visit relatives and drop a car-load of stuff off at Uni. We could have got another small EV AND a bigger car for the longer journeys, but it made sense to get one PHEV for both. We didn't necessarily want the Mitsubishi, but the cost and availability of secondhand versions made it the obvious choice


And it has the capacity to haul stuff to local dump etc. plus in London (where there are now a lot of them) there is still the zero Congestion Charge and almost free parking in Westminster - the latter don't save me any money (I'm old enough for free public transport :lol: ) but oh! the comfort for the daily commute. :P


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 Post subject: Re: The true about battery degrdation in the Outlander PHEV
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:08 am 
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An example of a low km MY2019 car:

3.4% SOH lost in just 2400km ... that is around 1.5Ah lost

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PS: Based on temperature, it is looking somebody from Australia or somewhere in the south hemisphere


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