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 Post subject: calling on 2019 owners
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:47 pm 
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hey all,

im considering buying a new outlander phev but this whole battery degradation thing is stoping me from actually make the deal.

is there anyone with a MY2019 that can tell me anything (good or bad) about the stupidly fast battery degradation seen on the 2019 models?

thanks in advance!


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 Post subject: Re: calling on 2019 owners
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:02 pm 
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Well..........

My PHEV is 9 months old, only done 3,700km and the EV cruising distance has reduced from 54km to 42km in that time. Mitsubishi tell me that's normal.


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 Post subject: Re: calling on 2019 owners
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:10 am 
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SimonR73 wrote:
Well..........

My PHEV is 9 months old, only done 3,700km and the EV cruising distance has reduced from 54km to 42km in that time. Mitsubishi tell me that's normal.


!!!!

That’s 12km!! :|

Haven’t you considered the OBD2 thing to see for yourself?

Upon asking the dealer for this whole situation he showed me a 2019 model he uses for demo with around 5000k showing 52km.

I might ask him to put it on the MUT device and show me the SoH as a condition to buy one.

All he does is denying and stand by >50km on normal driving conditions..


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 Post subject: Re: calling on 2019 owners
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:51 am 
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To be frank, if your daily/regular round trip journey is near the 50km limit and you have no opportunity for convenient topping up at the other end then the PHEV is not the car for you. If you want to do it all electric then get a full EV and hire/buy a normal car for longer journeys.

If most of your trips between charges are over 50km then the saving from any EV driving is marginal - unless you live & drive in a city such as London where there are savings (parking etc.) from using an EV other than just fuel.

I am the user the car is designed for. My daily into Central London commute is less the half the full charge distance (even after degradation) with a regular weekend journey from South to North London, a few miles over the maximum range. Nearly all other journeys involve at least 100 miles round trips plus holidays abroad, where the marginal savings from the small amount of EV driving are wiped out by expensive motorway petrol charges. :lol:

If you can't fit into this sort of pattern then I'd say don't buy the PHEV. :idea:


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 Post subject: Re: calling on 2019 owners
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:15 am 
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I would tend to agree with greendwarf - PHEVs in general (not just the Outlander) are aimed at people whose daily usage is within the average estimated EV only range (though not necessarily only using EV - higher acceleration at junctions might require a bit of engine power) - with the occasional (ie weekend) longer journey where it's going to be using mainly petrol. And by average range, I mean what you actually get, not what the dashboard estimate says. So for older cars like mine, that's around 20 miles/35km per day, newer ones should get more as they've got bigger batteries.

All rechargeable batteries do degrade, and yes, the software on the Outlander may not be getting the best it could from the battery. But I'd also say that petrol and diesel engines also lose efficiency as they age too albeit over a longer time period. Battery powered vehicles have only relatively recently matched petrol/diesel cars in terms of performance and price, so you really shouldn't expect them to have the same levels of longevity yet.

If you do match the PHEV target market then I would say don't worry too much. Compare what's discussed on the other PHEV forums (Audi, VM, BMW, Kia etc) and you'll find much the same. I did a lot of research before I bought mine (very nearly got an Audi A3 etron), and came to the conclusion that the battery will degrade, but probably not enough in the time I intend to own it to cause me any issues. Being sensible and not rapid charging too often and not forcing it into EV mode when it might be better using a bit of petrol will reduce the rate at which it degrades.

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 Post subject: Re: calling on 2019 owners
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:26 am 
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Mine is Dec 2018 registered, also called 2019 model. Done 7000mile no degradation at all , getting 31 miles on full charge. I also had one from 2016 to 2018. New one is much much better


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 Post subject: Re: calling on 2019 owners
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:21 am 
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And, I might add, even subtle changes in driving style will affect the range hugely. If I am in a hurry and sloppy with my right foor, I will have very little left after my 27 km commute (2013 model 130000 km), but if I remember to feather the accelerator and keep the power meter as far to the left as possible, I can easily have up to 15 km left when driving the same stretch. In the same time too... ;) This behaviour makes all anecdotal distances driven very subjective.

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 Post subject: Re: calling on 2019 owners
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:33 am 
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I have ordered mine and at the time didn’t realize the degredation could be so extreme as I read in some cases. On the other hand, some don’t seem to have any issues. I will install the watchdog app and now and then take a look. If degredation is unreasonably high Mitsubishi will have to do something about it (regardless of what “something” is).

Remains the question, what is unreasonable. I couldn’t tell the tipping point just yet

SimonR73 wrote:
My PHEV is 9 months old, only done 3,700km and the EV cruising distance has reduced from 54km to 42km in that time. Mitsubishi tell me that's normal.


If it is in this range (this is 22% :shock: ) I will definately not settle with a dealer telling me all is ok

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 Post subject: Re: calling on 2019 owners
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SimonR73 wrote:
Well..........

My PHEV is 9 months old, only done 3,700km and the EV cruising distance has reduced from 54km to 42km in that time. Mitsubishi tell me that's normal.

To be fair, you said that that is a change between summer and winter use. Our Zoe goes from 80 to 60 miles on the GOM over winter

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 Post subject: Re: calling on 2019 owners
PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:35 am 
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Have a look at this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4508

You will find more comments on the same subject although not specifically MY2019 vehicles.

My MY2018 first reg April 18 shows an SOH of 34.2AH max capacity shrunk from 38.0AH.

I don't believe this is degradation of the hardware but miscalculation by the BMU/BMS software/firmware that Mitsubishi will not own up to.

I have queried it with the dealership and I am waiting for a response, about 6 weeks, but expect to be told it is quite normal. It might be in their world but not in mine!!!


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