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Re: Lift Kit installed

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:58 am
by yvrPHEV
DENVERCOPHEV wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:37 pm
Looks great and I am thinking of doing the same. I have ordered the kit and will likely install with new winter tires (also 235/60 R18s). Have you noticed a drop in EV range/MPGs? How about the impact on the speedometer reading? The lightest winter tires I could find at 235/60 R18 weigh 28 pounds vs. the stock tires which weigh only 23 pounds. Since I am driving on the highway mostly at speeds over 60mph, I’m hoping the increased diameter will offset the weight and return a similar range/mpgs.
I haven't noticed a big difference at all. I thought it would be more pronounced, but perhaps the fact that I'm using the lighter weight BBS wheels (they are only 18.5lbs per wheel) is providing an offset. I also tend to drive slow to maximize efficiency. The car still accelerates really well, no additional noise either.

Re: Lift Kit installed

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:00 am
by yvrPHEV
jcolvin wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:27 pm
After reading this, I bought the 40 mm kit from rising and it doesn't fit. Passenger side CV interferes with the control arm. So it looks like i have a lift kit i can't use. probably 30 mm is as high as you can go.
If you can post some pictures, I'll take photos of mine at the same angle to see if there are differences? Mine is a 2018.

Re: Lift Kit installed

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:23 pm
by DENVERCOPHEV
Ok, so my project is now complete on my 2019 Outlander PHEV. Thanks again for the inspiration.

Here is the link to the Tema 4x4 lift kit I used. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BB ... UTF8&psc=1

I chose the polyurethane kit instead of the metal kit as it is supposed to give you a slightly softer ride (and it’s cheaper at only $128). Also, I ordered via amazon vs. off eBay because they allowed for faster shipping (for an extra $35 it arrived in 2 weeks). Shipping on eBay was going to take 3 months!

I then had the kit professionally installed at a local 4x4 specialty store and boy was I glad I did. It took them about 5 hours and they had specialized equipment and know-how. It cost me about $350 for the install. I had to go back after it settled a bit and they fixed some pops/squeaks for me. Silent as can be now and rides like OEM.

As far as tires, I researched a ton of options. My 2019 came with Bridgestone Ecopia 225/55/ R18s (I was wrong on the weight in my earlier post…they actually weigh 28 lbs). I also weighed the stock tires with stock rims on them while they were installing the lift kit (total of 53 lbs). That means the stock 2019 “million spoke” rims weigh 25 lbs. I couldn’t find that anywhere on the internet so hopefully, that helps some people out.

Ultimately, I decided to go with Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 SUV 235/60R-18 for the tires. These are ultra-low resistance snow tires and are made especially for electric vehicles (Tesla owners swear by them). They weigh 30 lbs, so not a huge difference and shouldn’t impact range (TBD). I was averaging between 27-35 miles of pure EV range with the Ecopias, so sustaining this was my #1 priority in upsizing. I also decided to keep the stock rims and just Plasti Dip them black for now. It looks decent but is a bit of a pain in the butt to do yourself. I’ll likely install lighter custom rims next season when I move back to all seasons.

The one clear drawback is that the speedometer is impacted…you will be traveling 3-4 miles per hour faster than it reads. I have a radar detector that tells me my speed, so this is verified.

Total ground clearance is now 10.6 inches. Will be great for the many storms that dump several feet of snow being that I live at 8000 ft. in the mountains.

Re: Lift Kit installed

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:28 pm
by Reuben10
DENVERCOPHEV wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:23 pm
Ok, so my project is now complete on my 2019 Outlander PHEV. Thanks again for the inspiration.

Here is the link to the Tema 4x4 lift kit I used. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BB ... UTF8&psc=1

I chose the polyurethane kit instead of the metal kit as it is supposed to give you a slightly softer ride (and it’s cheaper at only $128). Also, I ordered via amazon vs. off eBay because they allowed for faster shipping (for an extra $35 it arrived in 2 weeks). Shipping on eBay was going to take 3 months!

I then had the kit professionally installed at a local 4x4 specialty store and boy was I glad I did. It took them about 5 hours and they had specialized equipment and know-how. It cost me about $350 for the install. I had to go back after it settled a bit and they fixed some pops/squeaks for me. Silent as can be now and rides like OEM.

As far as tires, I researched a ton of options. My 2019 came with Bridgestone Ecopia 225/55/ R18s (I was wrong on the weight in my earlier post…they actually weigh 28 lbs). I also weighed the stock tires with stock rims on them while they were installing the lift kit (total of 53 lbs). That means the stock 2019 “million spoke” rims weigh 25 lbs. I couldn’t find that anywhere on the internet so hopefully, that helps some people out.

Ultimately, I decided to go with Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 SUV 235/60R-18 for the tires. These are ultra-low resistance snow tires and are made especially for electric vehicles (Tesla owners swear by them). They weigh 30 lbs, so not a huge difference and shouldn’t impact range (TBD). I was averaging between 27-35 miles of pure EV range with the Ecopias, so sustaining this was my #1 priority in upsizing. I also decided to keep the stock rims and just Plasti Dip them black for now. It looks decent but is a bit of a pain in the butt to do yourself. I’ll likely install lighter custom rims next season when I move back to all seasons.

The one clear drawback is that the speedometer is impacted…you will be traveling 3-4 miles per hour faster than it reads. I have a radar detector that tells me my speed, so this is verified.

Total ground clearance is now 10.6 inches. Will be great for the many storms that dump several feet of snow being that I live at 8000 ft. in the mountains.
Looks good! You didnt have any clearance issues with the passenger cv hitting the control arm with this 40mm kit? A couple of people seem to have this issue.

Re: Lift Kit installed

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:44 am
by DENVERCOPHEV
I must not be having the passenger CV problem. I'm not sure what the symptoms of that issue would be, but mine is riding/sounding good. Again, I took it to a very knowledgeable 4x4 specialty shop/mechanic. He had put many of these types of kits on before and I would recommend that anyone doing this option do the same.

Also, I don't know why this is ride height is not OEM for this vehicle...They need to change that for 2021 models. I've added nearly 3" and it is still lower than your standard SUV.

Re: Lift Kit installed

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:02 am
by greendwarf
Japanese are on average shorter than North American/Europeans? :idea:

Re: Lift Kit installed

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:18 pm
by BCbackroader
You will only encounter the pass. side axle rubbing on the A-arm when that wheel is at full downward extension, which will only occur when you're crossing deep holes off road. There are no other symptoms of any sort noticeable during normal driving.

Re: Lift Kit installed

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:57 am
by BalooPHEV
DENVERCOPHEV wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:23 pm
Ok, so my project is now complete on my 2019 Outlander PHEV. Thanks again for the inspiration.

Here is the link to the Tema 4x4 lift kit I used. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BB ... UTF8&psc=1

I chose the polyurethane kit instead of the metal kit as it is supposed to give you a slightly softer ride (and it’s cheaper at only $128). Also, I ordered via amazon vs. off eBay because they allowed for faster shipping (for an extra $35 it arrived in 2 weeks). Shipping on eBay was going to take 3 months!

I then had the kit professionally installed at a local 4x4 specialty store and boy was I glad I did. It took them about 5 hours and they had specialized equipment and know-how. It cost me about $350 for the install. I had to go back after it settled a bit and they fixed some pops/squeaks for me. Silent as can be now and rides like OEM.

As far as tires, I researched a ton of options. My 2019 came with Bridgestone Ecopia 225/55/ R18s (I was wrong on the weight in my earlier post…they actually weigh 28 lbs). I also weighed the stock tires with stock rims on them while they were installing the lift kit (total of 53 lbs). That means the stock 2019 “million spoke” rims weigh 25 lbs. I couldn’t find that anywhere on the internet so hopefully, that helps some people out.

Ultimately, I decided to go with Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 SUV 235/60R-18 for the tires. These are ultra-low resistance snow tires and are made especially for electric vehicles (Tesla owners swear by them). They weigh 30 lbs, so not a huge difference and shouldn’t impact range (TBD). I was averaging between 27-35 miles of pure EV range with the Ecopias, so sustaining this was my #1 priority in upsizing. I also decided to keep the stock rims and just Plasti Dip them black for now. It looks decent but is a bit of a pain in the butt to do yourself. I’ll likely install lighter custom rims next season when I move back to all seasons.

The one clear drawback is that the speedometer is impacted…you will be traveling 3-4 miles per hour faster than it reads. I have a radar detector that tells me my speed, so this is verified.

Total ground clearance is now 10.6 inches. Will be great for the many storms that dump several feet of snow being that I live at 8000 ft. in the mountains.
Real Magnific,
Hello DenvercoPHEV, Have you any issue with the camber. YvrPHEV notifyed that if we want negative camber up front, it have to buy a Specific part. Have you used it and could you send us photos of the front and of the back

Re: Lift Kit installed

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:18 am
by DENVERCOPHEV
Hi BalooPHEV, I was also wondering about the negative camber from the previous posts. To be honest, I've never worried about that before and had to look up what that meant. The mechanic that did my lift said to just have it aligned with a negative camber when I put the snow tires on. So, I had my local Bridgestone store put my snow tires on and asked for their "lifetime alignment" which is a really good deal ($200 and as many alignments as you want for as long as you own the car). I told them to please try and get it to a negative camber when completed. I'm not sure I am reading it right... but it appears to be at a cross camber of .3 front and .1 in the rear now? Do I need to worry about that? It appears that this cross camber is still within tolerance for tire wear, handling, safety...but maybe the individual left/right front tires are still overly positive?