Outlander PHEV plugin high temperature standings

Sirlu10ent said:

I have read some information on the Outlander PHEV plugin system that Cold does not tend to affect battery life, it just lowers the energy level and thus range. However this is a temporary condition that does not permanently affect the battery life. Hot climates however can permanently damage the lithium ion cells and cause premature battery degradation. How dentrimental is the damage if you live in an area where it is hot year round. Would you have to replace the battery prematurely?

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Dannyboy said:

Sirlu10ent said:

I have read some information on the Outlander PHEV plugin system that Cold does not tend to affect battery life, it just lowers the energy level and thus range. However this is a temporary condition that does not permanently affect the battery life. Hot climates however can permanently damage the lithium ion cells and cause premature battery degradation. How dentrimental is the damage if you live in an area where it is hot year round. Would you have to replace the battery prematurely?

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probably, but you should not worry about it too much because in the next five to ten years the battery quality is going to go up so much that you will find yourself wanting to change to a better battery anyway.

not only will the life expectancy of a battery go through the roof but the capacity and durability is also increasing at a rapid pace...

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Dannyboy said:

Sirlu10ent said:

I have read some information on the Outlander PHEV plugin system that Cold does not tend to affect battery life, it just lowers the energy level and thus range. However this is a temporary condition that does not permanently affect the battery life. Hot climates however can permanently damage the lithium ion cells and cause premature battery degradation. How dentrimental is the damage if you live in an area where it is hot year round. Would you have to replace the battery prematurely?

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probably, but you should not worry about it too much because in the next five to ten years the battery quality is going to go up so much that you will find yourself wanting to change to a better battery anyway.

not only will the life expectancy of a battery go through the roof but the capacity and durability is also increasing at a rapid pace...

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ActionableMango said:

Dannyboy said:

Sirlu10ent said:

I have read some information on the Outlander PHEV plugin system that Cold does not tend to affect battery life, it just lowers the energy level and thus range. However this is a temporary condition that does not permanently affect the battery life. Hot climates however can permanently damage the lithium ion cells and cause premature battery degradation. How dentrimental is the damage if you live in an area where it is hot year round. Would you have to replace the battery prematurely?

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probably, but you should not worry about it too much because in the next five to ten years the battery quality is going to go up so much that you will find yourself wanting to change to a better battery anyway.

not only will the life expectancy of a battery go through the roof but the capacity and durability is also increasing at a rapid pace...

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It is a nice thought and I hope you are right, but as I understand it, Toyota Prius owners with cars around 10+ years old are starting to have to replace their battery packs and despite a decade of technological advance, the battery pack is still the same old Ni-MH chemistry with the same old capacity.

I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope the US Outlander PHEV uses Toshiba SCiB batteries, which have a longer service AND charge faster. Mits does use those in the MiEV. But probably Mits will just be the same GS Yuasa batteries used in the other markets for the Outlander PHEVs.

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BobMarin said:

How much would it cost to change a battery on Mitsubishi Outlander.

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ActionableMango said:

BobMarin said:

How much would it cost to change a battery on Mitsubishi Outlander.

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1) We don't even know how much the vehicle itself costs yet, much less cost for parts.
2) Even if we had a cost, you won't have to replace it for many years and we don't know what the cost will be at that time. For example, Prius battery pack replacement was estimated around $10,000 when new and everyone was scared about paying that much 10 years down the road. But now 15 years have gone by and the price has come down to $2500-$4000. If you consider inflation, the real price drop is even more significant than it looks.

Lithium ion battery prices are approaching ~$200 per kWh. Just a few years ago they were $500 per kWh.

We know from a Dutch article that the Outlander PHEV battery is designed for two complete recharges every day for a period of 10 years. It will be interesting to see what the battery warranty is. Mitsubishi's MiEV battery warranty is 8 years/100k miles.

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ActionableMango said:

BobMarin said:

How much would it cost to change a battery on Mitsubishi Outlander.

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1) We don't even know how much the vehicle itself costs yet, much less cost for parts.
2) Even if we had a cost, you won't have to replace it for many years and we don't know what the cost will be at that time. For example, Prius battery pack replacement was estimated around $10,000 when new and everyone was scared about paying that much 10 years down the road. But now 15 years have gone by and the price has come down to $2500-$4000. If you consider inflation, the real price drop is even more significant than it looks.

Lithium ion battery prices are approaching ~$200 per kWh. Just a few years ago they were $500 per kWh.

We know from a Dutch article that the Outlander PHEV battery is designed for two complete recharges every day for a period of 10 years. It will be interesting to see what the battery warranty is. Mitsubishi's MiEV battery warranty is 8 years/100k miles.

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