Considering buying an Outlander PHEV to run mostly in EV mode.
Have been looking at two MY19 Exceeds and test-driven one of the two.
Both are dealer demos with just over 7000km on the clock.
In Australia the MY19 Outlander PHEV still has the 12kWh battery.
The Mitsubishi dealer said they could not measure the remaining traction battery capacity for me because they didn’t have the required machine!
I asked the used car salesperson whether I could measure SoH myself with PHEV Watchdog. No problem. Result: ~80% (~32Ah) for both cars. One of the cars had a nearly full battery (97% SoC) and 42km on the GoM. Apparently Mitsubishi Australia specified a 54km pure electric range for the MY19 PHEV. Interestingly, 54km x 0.97 Soc x 0.8 SoH = 41.9km. But I don’t think that is how the GoM works.
Anyway, now wondering how to interpret these figures and what conclusions to draw.
I work in the ebike industry and regularly test and repair LiIon batteries. The chemistries of the ebike and PHEV batteries differ somewhat, and usage differences also come into play, but I’m really surprised by a 20% capacity loss in one year with relatively few kilometres. Somehow I cannot believe that this apparent capacity loss is a real capacity loss of the battery. Not saying that my experience with ebike batteries is entirely relevant, but I feel this is more likely a calculated capacity loss than an actual capacity loss.
Question now is what rate of capacity drop can be expected from here on? And how soon will that lead to a pure EV range that would be better covered by an ebike than a 2-ton car?
And also, what is a realistic value/price for a PHEV that already has lost 20% of its battery capacity in the first year and might be down to 50% capacity in another 1.5 years (assuming a constant rate of decline)?
Mitsubishi Australia does not give an official remaining battery capacity guarantee for the duration of the battery warranty (8 years/160,000km), but unofficially I was told that batteries have been replaced if less than 70% of original capacity was remaining at any time during the warranty period.
In many ways the Outlander PHEV is a really amazing car. But for me the PHEV only makes sense if 80% of the original battery capacity and pure EV range can be relied upon over the first 5 years. So I will probably not go ahead with buying one, but I wouldn’t mind being convinced otherwise if someone has a better insight in the MY19 performance.
By the way, the OBD2 dongle that I used is the current Jaycar OBD2 Bluetooth Engine Code Reader.
Have been looking at two MY19 Exceeds and test-driven one of the two.
Both are dealer demos with just over 7000km on the clock.
In Australia the MY19 Outlander PHEV still has the 12kWh battery.
The Mitsubishi dealer said they could not measure the remaining traction battery capacity for me because they didn’t have the required machine!
I asked the used car salesperson whether I could measure SoH myself with PHEV Watchdog. No problem. Result: ~80% (~32Ah) for both cars. One of the cars had a nearly full battery (97% SoC) and 42km on the GoM. Apparently Mitsubishi Australia specified a 54km pure electric range for the MY19 PHEV. Interestingly, 54km x 0.97 Soc x 0.8 SoH = 41.9km. But I don’t think that is how the GoM works.
Anyway, now wondering how to interpret these figures and what conclusions to draw.
I work in the ebike industry and regularly test and repair LiIon batteries. The chemistries of the ebike and PHEV batteries differ somewhat, and usage differences also come into play, but I’m really surprised by a 20% capacity loss in one year with relatively few kilometres. Somehow I cannot believe that this apparent capacity loss is a real capacity loss of the battery. Not saying that my experience with ebike batteries is entirely relevant, but I feel this is more likely a calculated capacity loss than an actual capacity loss.
Question now is what rate of capacity drop can be expected from here on? And how soon will that lead to a pure EV range that would be better covered by an ebike than a 2-ton car?
And also, what is a realistic value/price for a PHEV that already has lost 20% of its battery capacity in the first year and might be down to 50% capacity in another 1.5 years (assuming a constant rate of decline)?Mitsubishi Australia does not give an official remaining battery capacity guarantee for the duration of the battery warranty (8 years/160,000km), but unofficially I was told that batteries have been replaced if less than 70% of original capacity was remaining at any time during the warranty period.
In many ways the Outlander PHEV is a really amazing car. But for me the PHEV only makes sense if 80% of the original battery capacity and pure EV range can be relied upon over the first 5 years. So I will probably not go ahead with buying one, but I wouldn’t mind being convinced otherwise if someone has a better insight in the MY19 performance.
By the way, the OBD2 dongle that I used is the current Jaycar OBD2 Bluetooth Engine Code Reader.
