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 Post subject: Full tanks range test!
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:21 pm 
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Coming up to my 2nd anniversary of owning the PHEV and, for the first time ever, recently set out on a trip with a completely full tank of fuel and fully recharged battery. I do this trip quite frequently (central France to northern England) but often find myself having to stop every couple hours. However, this time, I just kept going and so was able to capture the entire trip in the watchdog app as a single block (I know you can 'resume trip' but found these screenshots fascinating!).

The main stats from the trip were: 699km (434 miles) covered in 10 hours, 3 mins and 53 seconds at an average of 49.7mpg (5.7 l/100km) and 43mph. The first fuel warning sounded just as I arrived at the hotel for the night in Calais.

Okay - should never drive 10hrs straight without a break and the average speed is slower than "most" road trips, however, a bit of context. These stats were from central France to Calais avoiding the motorway tolls. For those interested, the route was broadly: Guéret - Chateauroux - Blois - Chartres - Dreux - Evreux - Rouen - Calais. On motorways, maxed at 90km/h and then it's mainly 80km/h on single carriageways in France.

The thing that surprised me the most was the 61Ah regen. On average, I find the car does about 1 mile per Ah meaning I got 61 miles free driving, just through regen! Or, put another way, 14% of the journey.

Taking the autoroutes from central France to Calais, through Paris in April, I covered the 702km in 8 hours at 6.5 l/100km using 5.5 litres more fuel than the 'country roads' trip. But, the main difference here is that the tolls for this trip are around €40 and, with the cost of fuel in France, going the motorways whilst saving 2 hours actually costs €50 more.

Appreciate that the above is not usual driving experience for most but goes to show what the PHEV does on a long road trip. Also got me thinking that, on a pure cruise controlled motorway journey, you really don't get much regen and, on the congested motorways of the UK, that A road might actually be a better option!

If nothing else I, for one, am pretty pleased with the 434 miles from a single tank of fuel and battery charge!


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 Post subject: Re: Full tanks range test!
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:34 pm 
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Well done. Actually, in 2014, Mitsubishi had the car driven form Basel to Amsterdam (890 km) on a single tank and charge. Admittedly, by an economy run champion. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Full tanks range test!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:51 am 
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mellwaters100 wrote:
Coming up to my 2nd anniversary of owning the PHEV and, for the first time ever, recently set out on a trip with a completely full tank of fuel and fully recharged battery. I do this trip quite frequently (central France to northern England) but often find myself having to stop every couple hours. However, this time, I just kept going and so was able to capture the entire trip in the watchdog app as a single block (I know you can 'resume trip' but found these screenshots fascinating!).

The main stats from the trip were: 699km (434 miles) covered in 10 hours, 3 mins and 53 seconds at an average of 49.7mpg (5.7 l/100km) and 43mph. The first fuel warning sounded just as I arrived at the hotel for the night in Calais.

Okay - should never drive 10hrs straight without a break and the average speed is slower than "most" road trips, however, a bit of context. These stats were from central France to Calais avoiding the motorway tolls. For those interested, the route was broadly: Guéret - Chateauroux - Blois - Chartres - Dreux - Evreux - Rouen - Calais. On motorways, maxed at 90km/h and then it's mainly 80km/h on single carriageways in France.

The thing that surprised me the most was the 61Ah regen. On average, I find the car does about 1 mile per Ah meaning I got 61 miles free driving, just through regen! Or, put another way, 14% of the journey.

Taking the autoroutes from central France to Calais, through Paris in April, I covered the 702km in 8 hours at 6.5 l/100km using 5.5 litres more fuel than the 'country roads' trip. But, the main difference here is that the tolls for this trip are around €40 and, with the cost of fuel in France, going the motorways whilst saving 2 hours actually costs €50 more.

Appreciate that the above is not usual driving experience for most but goes to show what the PHEV does on a long road trip. Also got me thinking that, on a pure cruise controlled motorway journey, you really don't get much regen and, on the congested motorways of the UK, that A road might actually be a better option!

If nothing else I, for one, am pretty pleased with the 434 miles from a single tank of fuel and battery charge!


I thought I was crazy to drive 1360km in one shot ... but 10h drive without a break ... is maybe even more :o :? :o

My last long trip ... in 11h I did cover 1360km ... consumed 10.4L/100km ... average speed around 130km/h .. top speed around 250km/h .. I had to make 2 fuel stop (5/10 min each) for complete the trip

How much is worth 1h for you ? ... How much time you can save driving faster ... especially for long trip .. the Outlander PHEV it is not the right car in my book ... it is fuel efficient only driving slow ... at above 130km/h it does consume more then my old BMW 335i

PS: I'm driving always inside the speed limit ... which in case of German Autobahn ... it might be not present .. still traffic and bad drivers, often, prevent to drive fast and safe in Germany :| ... it is more easy to drive fast in Poland then in Germany, even if 140km/h limit in Poland, vs none in Germany ... mainly because polish people drive more smart then german people :o ... as well ... in Poland often there is less traffic ... worst is to cross Switzerland ... with 120km/h ... and un-nice drivers like in germany

PS: It would be nice to see, from the DOG trip card: min voltage, and max delta voltage ... and as well ... max battery temperature


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 Post subject: Re: Full tanks range test!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:50 am 
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In my opinion, these illustrate the beauty of the flexibility of our Phev in regards of gas consumption (miles/gallon, L/100km).
In the city commute: (0), only electricity;
In the more “conservative” driving: ~(50) miles/gallon ~ (5)L/100km;
In the more “aggressive” driving: ~(25) miles/gallon ~ (10)L/100km.

Is there any 4x4 SUV in the world cost less than Outlander PHEV and more flexible in gas consumption?

Please note that I didn’t put $ (or Euro) because the electricity cost and battery SOH (State of Health) are NOT in the equation (should them be considered maintenance cost?)
As examples above:

In the city commute: ~ (1) cycle per day, electrical bill and normal Batt SOH;
In the more “conservative” driving: ~ (5) cycles per day, a little electrical bill + lots of Batt SOH;
In the more “aggressive” driving: ~ (2) cycles per day, little electrical bill and normal batt SOH.

Tai

PS. In the city, I find myself changing the driving behavior according to batt SoC, just trying to NOT deplete the battery. But if I know I will get to a charge point within the pure electric range, The 60kW sprint is fun :-)

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 Post subject: Re: Full tanks range test!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:58 am 
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Tai626 wrote:
Is there any 4x4 SUV in the world cost less than Outlander PHEV and more flexible in gas consumption?


I know, as owners, we are a little biased! However, I have to agree. In 2010 I bought a 3L Mitsubishi Shogun (1997 model) for £500 on eBay. Living down a 1 mile farm track in the north of England, had many occasion to rely on its 4x4 capabilities. At 23mpg it was a thirsty beast.

Around 2007, bought a 2002 Jaguar S Type (£17k). Very nice car to drive but, again, 32mpg on a good day and damned expensive to service (had several issues with it over the years as well).

For me, the Outlander combines the long drive comfort of the jag with the off road capability of the Shogun but with an average 50mpg! And, will pull my 1,300kg caravan with relative ease!

Now owned it 2 years driven 60,000 miles and the only issue I have had is the rear cover of the drivers roof rail worked loose causing a vibration above 50mph. A spot of glue and all is well.

So, yes, totally agree with you Tai626!


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 Post subject: Re: Full tanks range test!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:17 am 
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elm70 wrote:
It would be nice to see, from the DOG trip card: min voltage, and max delta voltage ... and as well ... max battery temperature

There is always that argument about driving faster / costing more compared with setting out an hour (or so) earlier and saving fuel. I have done a couple of unscientific comparisons along a 40 mile stretch of motorway I use regularly, between setting cruise at 60mph and 70mph. It worked out that driving faster saved about 7 minutes on that section of the journey (avg speed @ 60mph cruise was 52mph; @70mph was 56mph because of traffic) and, if I recall correctly, used about 1 litre more fuel.

I agree that, at high speed, the Outlander requires a decent bit of concentration (topped 130 km/h on the French motorways a couple of times). And, with a UK plate in France, the French drivers don't like you being in front of them!!

Still - awesome car and its great to hear other peoples experience from around the world.


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 Post subject: Re: Full tanks range test!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:24 pm 
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Well 130 is not that fast... I usually drive about 150 on the Autobahn and the PHEV copes splendidly. I used to drive the Autobahn @ 200 before, so it is quite sedate by my standards...

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 Post subject: Re: Full tanks range test!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:16 pm 
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mellwaters100 wrote:
elm70 wrote:

Still - awesome car and its great to hear other peoples experience from around the world.


Thanks for the trip card ;)

Yes your PHEV has a relative "consumed" battery .. SOH ~31.6Ah , Min Voltage down to 3.58v (which for summer time is quite bad), and max delta 0.43v (again quite high) .. max temp 35c .. which is good since it implies the battery cooling system is still perfectly working.

Yes ... making so good fuel efficiency with a relative consumed battery is a good indication of the quality of our PHEV and your driving still quality on driving in efficient way

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 Post subject: Re: Full tanks range test!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:28 pm 
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Tai626 wrote:
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Is there any 4x4 SUV in the world cost less than Outlander PHEV and more flexible in gas consumption?

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Speaking of total cost of ownership and SUV ... I believe a Dacia Duster diesel might be more cost efficient then an Outlander PHEV ... the PHEV lose in depreciation more then whatever gain in fuel economy could be achieved.
But ... owning a car .. it is not only about being "cheap" .. but as well .. be pleased while driving.

About fuel efficiency ... what about Kia Niro PHEV ? Is it a possible competitor of the Outlander ?

Anyhow ... fuel economy ... and SUV .. I think are two things that don't go very well together ... I think SUV is a strange fashion trend ... in my case ... I only need AWD / 4x4 ...

Personally since I had always good experience with BMW, and I do like the driving experience from this brand ...

After the Outlander ... I think I will consider the BMW 330e .. or maybe even the Mini PHEV ... the 330e is more fun to drive, more fuel efficient on motorway ... but does not have AWD which I like to have as extra safety in winter ... but .. maybe it is not a mandatory to have ... thanks to global warming ... snow and ice is way less then years ago.

Anyhow ... for make economy sense on mu PHEV ... I need to keep it for other ~5 years ... then I will look around. I bet .. I will go for another PHEV, but not necessary from Mitsubishi.

So far .. the biggest plus on the Outlander .. is total absence of any problem in 3 years of ownership, for a car that has now over 140.000 km ... and the relative cheap price from the local Mitsubishi service

So ... I can't complain ... ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Full tanks range test!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:31 pm 
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jaapv wrote:
Well 130 is not that fast... I usually drive about 150 on the Autobahn and the PHEV copes splendidly. I used to drive the Autobahn @ 200 before, so it is quite sedate by my standards...


Yes the PHEV is very stable till the full speed of 170km/h .. but going full speed without any reserve is not "comfortable"

Yes ... 150km/h sounds the good speed for drive in "comfort" in Germany

Only issue is that the PHEV over 120km/h consume a lot .. at 150km/h even more for my taste.

Normally in the PHEV I sit around 125km/h on motorway ... even less for short trip which I want to make in full EV .. even down to 85km/h :o


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