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Tyres - winter and summer - or not. A review.

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:47 pm
by jaapv
I had Michelin Cross-Climates fitted - They drive incredibly well - and then I found this review. Now I'm even more happy :) And 75.000 miles? These things are really cheap in the long run.

https://www.greencarguide.co.uk/feature ... re-review/

Re: Tyres - winter and summer - or not. A review.

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:15 am
by littlescrote
Sounds good if it is a genuine independent review. He doesn't say that he paid for the tyres himself.

Re: Tyres - winter and summer - or not. A review.

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:05 am
by ThudnBlundr
I've used CCs on all our recent cars, and they've been a revelation. Originally I bought winter tyres to get us up the unploughed lane and round a sharp bend onto our long, steep shared drive when I got sick of walking the last ½ mile home. They were great in winter, but I didn't enjoy the time or expense of swapping them twice a year. So we've used CCs on all subsequent 2WD cars, and we've never failed to get home in the Yorkshire snow. We fitted them to our Zoe 18 months ago and we've seen an improvement in comfort and handling compared to EV tyres, but no noticeable drop in range. We fitted them the PHEV after its last MOT in March, so we've not had a chance to test them in poor conditions yet, but I expect that they'll behave as well as the previous 4 cars.

Re: Tyres - winter and summer - or not. A review.

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:57 am
by jaapv
littlescrote wrote:Sounds good if it is a genuine independent review. He doesn't say that he paid for the tyres himself.
These tyres get good reviews in general.

Re: Tyres - winter and summer - or not. A review.

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:04 am
by FrancoPHEV
Great provided that you don’t have a geometry problem. I fitted Michelin CCs just over 2 years ago after getting 49,500 miles from the original Toyos. I have been generally quite happy with their performance and handling appart from, in my opinion, them being a bit noisier. However, I brought the beast to the dealer for its 6Y service this morning and asked them to check the tyres as there has been an occasional light “chuffing” noise for the last month or so. The manager has just shown me a photo of the inside edges of both rear tyres: shot to the point of certainly not passing next month’s Contrôle Technique. I had hoped for more than 32k miles. However, I guess the lesson is to get balance and alignment checked more regularly.

Re: Tyres - winter and summer - or not. A review.

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:56 am
by ThudnBlundr
I had something similar at the last service, just before lockdown. I got CCs fitted all round, as I've used them on all our recent cars. I also got them to do a 4-wheel alignment, but I guess I'll have to do that regularly to stop it happening again.

I've just had a slow puncture fixed: it was caused by a nail in the edge of the tread, so was irreparable. The local ATS wanted £185 to fit a replacement CC; blackcircles.com wanted £145 for it to be fitted at the same ATS garage :roll: Costco wanted £135. Guess which one I chose ;)

Tyre Reviews have recently done their review of All Season tyres for 2020. The current CC didn't fare that well. Of course this test was done on a Golf, so it may well be different for our PHEV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHph1mDtCbQ

Re: Tyres - winter and summer - or not. A review.

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:01 pm
by jaapv
I had Crosscimates fitted last year and could not be happier. The car. feels softer without losing stability too.

Re: Tyres - winter and summer - or not. A review.

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:04 pm
by EssexBoy
I can't comment on all-season tyres but I have had my winter tyres mounted on a set of OEM wheels I acquired from a breaker for a couple of years now. Just remounted them the other day - noticeably quieter than my now worn out old Toyos on the summer wheels. If I go to the colder bits of the UK in winter or the weather turns proper cold in the midlands I am very content to be on winter tyres. Wont ever revert to only using 'summer' tyres year round. I might be tempted by all season, but why if summer tyres are cheaper, quieter and wear better given I have my winters waiting for the colder months. It has been discussed elsewhere on the forum but switching tyres (wheels) works well for me. I can see that the benefits of doing so are directly related to your latitude though. If I lived in Surrey and never visited Glencoe or Chamonix in winter CCs might be just the job.

Re: Tyres - winter and summer - or not. A review.

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:14 am
by ThudnBlundr
The same Tyre Review channel asked if CCs could cope with a wet London and a snowy Alp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO0zyQh2l3M

Answer - yes!

Plus it's far cheaper than having 2 sets of tyres and wheels, which you than have to dispose of at a loss when you sell the car

Re: Tyres - winter and summer - or not. A review.

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:41 pm
by EssexBoy
"... it's far cheaper than having 2 sets of tyres..."
Well perhaps a bit cheaper. And perhaps not. Granted I had to find the wedge for the wheels/extra tyres but I can only be wearing out one set of tyres at a time. Also the extra wheels are perhaps the one bit of my car that wont depreciate with time. I am very confident I will get my money back on those.
Comparing tyres is clearly a bit of a black art but those CCs are a fair bit more money than my current winters and are not rated so highly in the 'industry reviews'. The key metric that might swing it in favour of one approach or the other is wear - I would expect winters to last fewer miles than all-season and all-season fewer than summer tyres. If most of my miles are on summers (perhaps 60% for me) and comparable quality summers costing somewhat less than all-season or winter, the additional cost of winters over summers is offset a bit. As a generalisation summers might have better fuel economy than all-season or winters too.

I expect we can agree that a premium tyre with winter credentials is a noticeably better driving experience in poor conditions than the original Toyos.