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Re: What CAN I tow with PHEV

Although my schoolboy electro-mechanical knowledge is over 50 years old, I don't think the basic physics has changed. All motors need momentum to keep turning between the energy input bursts - even an ICE - so initial movement is difficult.

With a traditional electric motor the central armature has a large mass to keep it turning as it moves from contact to contact but even that can be prevented relatively easily - ever had an electric drill jam? Sure an electric motor can't stall, but the continual inflow of energy is just turned into heat - as we have already discussed.

As your diligence has discovered, I have made this point before, but in relation to actual experiences of PHEV users. I think it might have been Trex who demonstrated the brick/kerb fail but others reported problems on slopes, including slipways. The solution, is to have momentum when meeting the obstacle - I've seen a Mitsu video of the car climbing a 45 degree ramp with no problem but NOT from a standing start. So the usual way of dealing with this is to back up and take a run at it - unfortunately, you may not always have this option, especially on a slip way.

Yes, if you are likely to want to tow a large boat up a slipway, then the PHEV is probably not for you - you need a vehicle with the motor up front well out of the way of the water. :idea:
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Re: What CAN I tow with PHEV

Allegedly the car has a wade depth of 40cm.
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16 inches in real money :lol:
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Re: What CAN I tow with PHEV

greendwarf wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 2:14 am Although my schoolboy electro-mechanical knowledge is over 50 years old, I don't think the basic physics has changed. All motors need momentum to keep turning between the energy input bursts - even an ICE - so initial movement is difficult.

With a traditional electric motor the central armature has a large mass to keep it turning as it moves from contact to contact but even that can be prevented relatively easily - ever had an electric drill jam? Sure an electric motor can't stall, but the continual inflow of energy is just turned into heat - as we have already discussed.

As your diligence has discovered, I have made this point before, but in relation to actual experiences of PHEV users. I think it might have been Trex who demonstrated the brick/kerb fail but others reported problems on slopes, including slipways. The solution, is to have momentum when meeting the obstacle - I've seen a Mitsu video of the car climbing a 45 degree ramp with no problem but NOT from a standing start. So the usual way of dealing with this is to back up and take a run at it - unfortunately, you may not always have this option, especially on a slip way.

Yes, if you are likely to want to tow a large boat up a slipway, then the PHEV is probably not for you - you need a vehicle with the motor up front well out of the way of the water. :idea:

Interesting, are you saying that the rear motor and battery are not water proof? Or if water gets into the drive unit, warranty doesn't cover this?

There's a new one that came in 20 minutes drive from me one se and one gt - will be test driving those!
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Re: What CAN I tow with PHEV

It's not designed as an off-roader (rather a "soft roader") so I wouldn't personally push the water proofing to the limits but I'm quite happy to drive through deep puddles with impunity. :P
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Re: What CAN I tow with PHEV

I have done a test tow with my 2021 PHEV staying under the 1500Kg limit for a 300KM caravan relocation. I read that battery depletion is the problem with towing a load so I stopped a few times in generation mode to keep the battery level above 50%. Total fuel consumption for the trip was 11l/100km. My motorway speed was not more than 80km/h, slowing to 70km/h on a few steeper inclines. The trip ended traversing across a rain sodden field which the 4WD Lock mode handled without a problem. I ran the PHEV Watchdog app for the whole trip keeping an eye on all the parameters.

Compared to the VW Tiguan 130kW diesel I usually tow this van with the fuel consumption is the same but the stability is slightly better on the PHEV with the longer wheelbase and Bilstein suspension.

I also tow a small box trailer often and the PHEV doesn't know its on.
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Re: What CAN I tow with PHEV

There is no need to stop and recharge as long as you do not get the "reduced power" warning.
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