New Phev specs released it seems

littlescrote said:

Nut17 said:

I have a 2005 BMW Z4 that ultimately has a much higher top speed and a tad more acceleration, but the cornering speed maintained is pretty similar. I do participate in regular track days with the BMW so I do have some experience and a reference to compare to.

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A Z4 is not a sports car, but if that's your definition and what you're comparing it to then that's fair enough. As long as you're happy with it, I'm not trying to belittle it or anything, just saying it's not really a comparison that you can make. An Outlander is never going to handle like a Lotus.

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Fortunately on the race tracks of Lundun, I'm competing for road space with very few real sportscars and even my 2014 antique still outhandles everything else on the road, when I want it to. Of course, driving like that wears out the tyres :lol:

I have now clocked up just over 6000km in our new MY2023 VRX PHEV. A few minor annoyances. The front seat belts are not user friendly - I am a little bulky and reaching down between the seat cushion and the centre consul requires some body movement and dexterity. We recently had 10 days parked out at our favourite free camping river side location with our motorhome and jetboat along with kids motorbikes and my quad bike. The Outlander was used to launch the boat (680 kg including trailer) on the loose shingle surface of the river bed. What a revelation!! It will happily replace my recently sold 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Diesel for this task. The 4WD system and torque from the electric drive train performed admirably. My only negative is working out how to disable the rear sensors that effectively make any reversing with a trailer a very "stop - start" procedure!

A large chunk of the total distance travelled so far occurred recently when I had a daily round trip of 30 km for seven weeks (weekdays 35 doses) attending a Prostate Cancer radiation Clinic. Each weekend I travelled 360km round trip home. It was interesting to note that the weather conditions can influence the EV range quite considerably. Starting each morning with the battery fully charged the displayed available EV range varied from 68km to 82 km. I simply reset the trip meter each morning and then added the distance travelled to the remaining EV range. This sum at the end of each day varied from a best of 76 km and a worst of 62 km. Most weeks we headed back into town (another 30 km round trip) a couple of times so a total km of around 1500 without one dop of petrol being burnt.

I have developed a pattern every time I head off - Press the EV and one Pedal buttons and select Eco on the rotary dial. I do love the one pedal experience but do understand that the mechanical brakes are automatically used to enhance the braking when driving in this mode.

I am still very happy with my purchase and have been able to compare with an almost identically priced Tesla Model Y that our son has recently purchased. The only benefit of the Tesla is the amazing acceleration!! And this is only the single motor RWD model - Range EPA 440km - reality nearer 300km is the killer for me. Roadside fast chargers are 85c / KWH I can run the PHEV cheaper when in hybrid mode!!

The rear sensor question is a simple one.

It is possible to have a rear socket that disables the sensors whenever the socket cover is raised (for insertion of the trailer plug).

Anywhere that fits tow bars etc. should be able to install one of those sockets for you.

(This was offered to me when I had my tow bar installed and I declined, much to my regret)

My tow bar was fitted by the dealer prior to delivery and no mention was made concerning a sensor disconnect option. I will take that up with them.

Dealers will just fit whatever the kit is. The standard kit does not have that option on the electrical connector. A towbar specialist would perhaps know about them, but possibly not. It requires a bit of brainpower to know which wire to the sensor circuit to break with the tow bar electrics socket break contact, something dealers are not renowned for.

I have now been provided with a reasonably simple means of disabling the rear sensors when towing. All done with the controls on the left of the steering wheel and the screen in front of the steering wheel.

PS Now with warmer weather I seem to be getting better range from the battery. Today I managed to achieve a full 84 km - No 100 kph Included. About 50 - 50 urban driving and 80 kph arterial routes. So battery warming may well be a viable option even in our temperate
New Zealand climate!!

Nut17 said:

I am still very happy with my purchase and have been able to compare with an almost identically priced Tesla Model Y that our son has recently purchased. The only benefit of the Tesla is the amazing acceleration!! And this is only the single motor RWD model - Range EPA 440km - reality nearer 300km is the killer for me. Roadside fast chargers are 85c / KWH I can run the PHEV cheaper when in hybrid mode!!

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Sold my oldest 2014 PHEV, still have my later model PHEV, for a Model Y over a month ago.

Tesla's Superchargers here that I have used are 68 or 69c/kWh.

But when you look at that 1st "300kms" that can be charged up at home at off peak, which is 15c/kWh for me, it helps reduce that cost for trips.

The Tesla is cheaper to run than the PHEV for me so far.

Ok want to talk about my test drive of the new PHEV I did some months ago.

Now I stated earlier in this thread :

Trex said:

......... I quoted about that one pedal driving I am pretty sure the reporter was talking about "proper" one pedal driving like on some EVs etc, ie come to a complete halt without using the brake pedal.

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The new model I drove did "NOT" have one pedal driving as seen on some EVs so I was wrong about that. Still need to bring the PHEV to a complete halt with the brake peddle even though it had a special mode button for it.

I also wrote earlier in this thread:

Trex said:

So if we "guess" that like the old PHEV's that approx half the power of the electric motors is supplied by the drive battery ie 85kW + 100kW = 185kW
/2 = 92.5kW will this be enough power for Mitsubishi to finally give us a pure EV mode ie accelerator pedal flat to the floor and no petrol motor kicking in to help ?

I guess we will soon find out.

Regards Trex.

Ps this is only conjecture on my part and using other's reported figures to work this out.

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Ok finding out whether I could put my foot flat to the floor in EV mode and get the full power of the drive battery without the petrol motor kicking in was probably the most anticipated event I wanted to see in the new model test drive.

Well unlike my 2019 model PHEV that has a EV mode which still brings in the petrol motor if your not careful with your foot the new model PHEV can, sort of.

What happens on the new model is there is now a kick down switch I think at the bottom of the accelerator travel. So it was easy to push the accelerator pedal to the first "soft" stop of the kick down switch and get the full EV power. Then if you pushed harder with your foot only then would the petrol motor cut in. Worked very easily and worked very well I think.

I actually stated I wanted this in this thread I started way back in 2015 titled "I now have pure Ev mode" :

https://www.myoutlanderphev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14426#p14426

where I said towards the bottom in my first post in that thread:

Trex said:

What I would like from Mitsubishi is a "soft" stop on the accelerator so I can easily press down with my foot and stay in Ev mode and if more power is needed push through the "soft" stop and then bring in the Petrol motor.

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Who says wishes don't come true.

More about the test drive later when I have time.

Regards Trex.