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 Post subject: Re: Long Distance MPG
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:22 am 
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I will try to top off using a 5 gallon fuel can...

Just for reference, Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid has a range of 600+ miles/tank. And the Subaru Crosstrek PHEV, 480miles/tank. Probably at 60mph...The day I really want to increase the range/tank in Outlander, without lowering the speed, just have to look up how those “cannon ball” people do.

Look like it is easier to increase kWh to the batteries than gallons in the tank. Vide MY2019 in Europe.

Sorry, not really related to MPG...

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 Post subject: Re: Long Distance MPG
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:53 am 
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I understand the intellectual pleasure in the challenge to get more fuel into the car than designed - much like me wanting extract the maximum EV (and "free" coasting) miles. However, is all the time spent faffing about when stopped, to extend time between fill-ups, worth it? At least I'm still moving when indulging my perversion. :oops: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Long Distance MPG
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:48 am 
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I just tried the top-up-after-click method. I managed to squeeze an extra 2.9 litres in. And the car reeked of petrol for the next twenty km. Luckily I was not on solo-EV. Not advisable, nor very useful

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 Post subject: Re: Long Distance MPG
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:59 am 
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greendwarf wrote:
I understand the intellectual pleasure in the challenge to get more fuel into the car than designed - much like me wanting extract the maximum EV (and "free" coasting) miles. However, is all the time spent faffing about when stopped, to extend time between fill-ups, worth it? At least I'm still moving when indulging my perversion. :oops: :lol:


So, think about the area between Gilroy, CA and Santa Clarita, CA as a sort of "no stop zone" where no gas stations exist. This isn't the case in reality, of course, but in practice, the gas prices there tend to be crappy compared to the prices in the urban areas, because the stations along I-5 know that there are a lot of travelers without a lot of options and that they don't have a lot of competition when people run low. The worst offenders are the stations in Grapevine, CA (right before the hill climb) and around the Nees Ave/Firebaugh exit, where there are only 1-2 stations. Prices there can be 50 cents to $1 above those in the urban areas. In Grapevine, it's the last place to fill up before climbing, and anyone who's low there really MUST fill up before going up the hill. But even in places like Kettleman City or Lost Hills, prices can be about 20-30 cents/gallon above those in the urban areas, which is why I simply do not patronize those stations, period.

In everyday driving, IF there were a station that was directly off my regular route AND had the best price, I would never top off. But, the best prices tend to be at stations that require at least a 5 mile roundtrip drive, which takes around 10-15 minutes total to make the round trip and fill up. Therefore, it's generally worth it for me to top off and get an extra 2.5-3.5 gallons in. The only time in the last few months when I did NOT top off was after arriving in Anaheim in late December, because I knew that after whatever minimal driving around Southern California I did, I'd have to top off again before leaving.

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I just tried the top-up-after-click method. I managed to squeeze an extra 2.9 litres in. And the car reeked of petrol for the next twenty km. Luckily I was not on solo-EV. Not advisable, nor very useful


I'm surprised that you only got an extra 2.9L in. You should be able to get at least an extra 7L in there, if not 8-10L. I think you probably didn't get to the point where the nozzle hole was sitting under the liquid level and the liquid level was draining at less than 1cm/minute.

I've never had the car smell like gas. I have had my hands smell like gas, which in turn makes the car smell like gas, IF I screw up and the gas spills out, and there's nowhere to wash my hands before I get back in the car. When you do this often, you get better at it. It took about 3-4 tries on my old car before I got the hang of it, and now, I rarely ever spill gas when topping off. I used to spill a lot more often when I tried the squeeze handle, wait for it to click off, then remove the nozzle and look into the filler cap method of topping off, prior to my friend telling me that I could get it to dispense, AND watch it at the same time, by simply pulling back the vapor recovery nozzle with one hand while operating the lever with the other.


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 Post subject: Re: Long Distance MPG
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:06 pm 
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Quite impossible. It was filled to the point of nearly spilling out. It may be that the newer model has a different tank. And i didn't spill.

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 Post subject: Re: Long Distance MPG
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:17 pm 
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jaapv wrote:
Quite impossible. It was filled to the point of nearly spilling out. It may be that the newer model has a different tank. And i didn't spill.


Mine is MY18, what's yours?


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 Post subject: Re: Long Distance MPG
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:28 pm 
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I have just done 210 miles wakefield-preston-wiral-wakefield. One full tank of petrol and full charge in my my new 2018 PHEV 4H . Average 42.5 mpg and half a tank of petrol left.


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 Post subject: Re: Long Distance MPG
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:09 pm 
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Quite impossible. It was filled to the point of nearly spilling out. It may be that the newer model has a different tank. And i didn't spill.


Mine is MY18, what's yours?
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 Post subject: Re: Long Distance MPG
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:00 pm 
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There are a few points to note here, namely that petrol pumps here do not have the vapour recovery cover you talk about, and a brief look online shows that fuel pump nozzles in North America are significantly different to ours.

I tried this 'topping off' process when I filled up this afternoon.

My normal fill up method is to push the nozzle right in, pull the handle to maximum until it clicks off, I then count to 10 and pull the handle again until it clicks. Then I withdraw the nozzle until the large ring is resting on the outer edge of the filler tube and pull hard enough to start the pump, but keep this minimum flow going until the fuel clicks off. Using this method all the time, once in 87,000 miles, at an average of 34mpg I have managed to get 43l in the 45l tank.

I have used this method, at every fill up for the last 1.2million miles with petrol and diesel without incident. The only time it varies is in the summer when I know the car will be parked in the full sun almost straight away. To allow for fuel expansion I only go to the second click.

Today, the pertol station was relatively quiet, so I decided after my usual process was complete to wait 30 seconds, then hold the pump right at the very entrance of the filler neck and squeeze very gently. Over the next 3 minutes I got just under a litre of extra petrol in. For the last minute there was standing fuel in the thread that the cap locks in to and it didn't drop away at all.

With all respect to our American cousins, there is no way that amount of extra fuel can be forced into a UK (and I suspect European) spec car. I agree that my personal preference would be for a larger tank (by an extra 20l), but I fully understand that I am not really the kind of driver this car is aimed at and the reasons why this isn't possible.

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 Post subject: Re: Long Distance MPG
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:27 pm 
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There's GOT to be a different part number for the fuel tank on the European model or something like that. But I don't understand why Mitsu would do that in the first place.


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