Auto Express long-term PHEV test is here - http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mitsub...ng-term-test-review-mitsubishi-outlander-phev
I8Binners said:Did he not bother to charge it for the last 2000 odd miles? The MPG takes a hammering!
englishman said:Read this link and you will get the point of bad reviewers ...
http://www.driving.co.uk/news/plug-in-baby-not-after-trying-the-mitsubishi-outlander-phev-says-eleanor-mills/
englishman said:Ozukus ...well said.
If you know the area that She lives in the only way to charge the vehicle would be to run a temp extension cable out of the window across the pavement and plug the car in that way , and more then likely find the lead charging cable vandalised or stolen in the morning .. She should have declined to test this vehicle as She was not a suitable user.
Overall maybe but his MPG for the last 2300 miles averaged under 30mpg which can't be accurate and why it dragged the MPG down from over 50 to just over 40maby said:I8Binners said:Did he not bother to charge it for the last 2000 odd miles? The MPG takes a hammering!
He is getting the sort of mpg that am average user should expect. This forum tends to be populated by enthusiasts who will do everything they can to maximise EV range or see how close they can get to 1000 miles on the first tank of fuel! The average user (and that's who Mitsubishi have to satisfy if this will get beyond its current niche) will just drive it like a relatively large estate car and may plug it in overnight - if it's convenient. I'm quite a relaxed driver and get decent fuel economy out of anything I drive - I'm hoping for about 55 mpge out of our Outlander and will be overjoyed if I hit 60 mpge.
I8Binners said:Overall maybe but his MPG for the last 2300 miles averaged under 30mpg which can't be accurate and why it dragged the MPG down from over 50 to just over 40maby said:I8Binners said:Did he not bother to charge it for the last 2000 odd miles? The MPG takes a hammering!
He is getting the sort of mpg that am average user should expect. This forum tends to be populated by enthusiasts who will do everything they can to maximise EV range or see how close they can get to 1000 miles on the first tank of fuel! The average user (and that's who Mitsubishi have to satisfy if this will get beyond its current niche) will just drive it like a relatively large estate car and may plug it in overnight - if it's convenient. I'm quite a relaxed driver and get decent fuel economy out of anything I drive - I'm hoping for about 55 mpge out of our Outlander and will be overjoyed if I hit 60 mpge.
I8Binners said:I meant if he was using the car properly it can't be correct, he would have had some charging within those 2000 miles....be interesting to hear from the guy
I'm presuming, if you go down the article his last post before this last one had miles of just under 6k and an alright MPG, then in 2300 miles he either changes his driving style or doesn't bother charging as it drops right down meaning that to get to the overall MPG of 40 odd his last 2000 miles would need to be average under 30mpg.maby said:I8Binners said:I meant if he was using the car properly it can't be correct, he would have had some charging within those 2000 miles....be interesting to hear from the guy
Where did this 2000 miles without recharging come from? I've just reread the review and cannot see any mention of it.
I8Binners said:...
I'm presuming, if you go down the article his last post before this last one had miles of just under 6k and an alright MPG, then in 2300 miles he either changes his driving style or doesn't bother charging as it drops right down meaning that to get to the overall MPG of 40 odd his last 2000 miles would need to be average under 30mpg.
We do need to know more about the 2000 odd miles and charging and fuel etc otherwise its unfair out the Outlander if he's reviewing it as a hybrid but not actually bothering to use one part of it.maby said:I8Binners said:...
I'm presuming, if you go down the article his last post before this last one had miles of just under 6k and an alright MPG, then in 2300 miles he either changes his driving style or doesn't bother charging as it drops right down meaning that to get to the overall MPG of 40 odd his last 2000 miles would need to be average under 30mpg.
OK - got that now and your numbers are correct. The trouble is that he really does not tell us enough about how he used the car. The original review does state that he has no ability to charge at home and is intending to charge at the office. He would only had had to go on holiday somewhere in Europe to run up a couple of thousand miles without charging, you know. A car the size and characteristics of the Outlander will need to be used in that sort of mode several times per year to justify its existence - you don't need a large 4WD if all you are going to do with it is a 25 mile round trip to the office every day.
I8Binners said:...
We do need to know more about the 2000 odd miles and charging and fuel etc otherwise its unfair out the Outlander if he's reviewing it as a hybrid but not actually bothering to use one part of it.
Not sure you are representative of the average user Not sure many of us holiday 3 times a year lol!maby said:I8Binners said:...
We do need to know more about the 2000 odd miles and charging and fuel etc otherwise its unfair out the Outlander if he's reviewing it as a hybrid but not actually bothering to use one part of it.
I really don't think it is unfair - it's realistic.
Look, most years we go on holiday for three weeks to a chalet on the SW French coast - near Bordeux. It's something like 700 miles each way plus a few hundred more for trips while we're there. That will be something like 2000 miles with no charging at all and if I've paid £30k for a large 4WD estate, I don't expect to have to hire a car for the trip or use the old wreck we have as a second car. And we will be pretty representative of the purchasing public - people driving to the ski slopes, the Med, Portugal... Add a few shorter weekend breaks in this country and a Christmas booze cruise and quite a chunk of your total annual mileage could end up being done without charging - so I don't think the review is particularly unfair.
I8Binners said:...Not sure you are representative of the average user Not sure many of us holiday 3 times a year lol!
I would say I was nearer average. Half my work is 42 miles each way and I do probably 2-3 times a month journeys of around 150 miles each way. I would want to be high 50's MPG minimum, if not nearer 70mpg overall.
Plus, when I did 400 miles last tuesday I averaged 37mpg overall.
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