anko
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I do not know exactly what you mean by this, but look at it this way: if I need to depart on a 20 km trip unexpectedly (so no time to preheat), I can choose between burning fuel (even though the destination is well within EV range) or not use the heater. And if my trip happens to be in an emission free zone, I can only decide to not use the heater. After spending quite a lot of money on an electric heater, how is that just "inconvenient"?greendwarf said:PS. Anko - I think Mitsu's answer fits in with above and I think there is a big difference between "uncomfortable" and what you describe which is "inconvenient.
With a normal car, indeed. With a P(H)EV it can be very common due to the nature of the car. On my current work location, we share 4 charge points with approx. 10 - 15 plugin cars. We have a What's App group that we use in order to optimize use of the charge points. This means that on most days, I have to move my car twice over a very short distance (could be as little as 11 meters): once from a normal bay into a charge bay. And once back to a normal bay. If I do not kill the heater myself, this will result in two totally unneccessary and relatively poluting cold starts. Very bad for the engine too.greendwarf said:However, the example of moving the car only 11 meters is very exceptional surely?
As the need for moving the car is a result of it being a plugin, is it too much to ask that I can move the car in EV mode without taking to many precautions myself?
If only the car provided this default (instead of me) it would solve 50% of my problem and 70% of my frustration. As where I might forget, the car wouldn't.greendwarf said:... then presumably, like me, you would have the car in "not heat" mode by default.
Perhaps not. If there was dufficient residual heat in the engine I could decide to leave the heater on till the end (the interior cools down rather quickly when you turn off the heater). Or I might forget because I am distracted (by phone call, looking for directions, passengers, ...). And if it was after a short trip within EV range and I had still SOC left, I would not bother with turning down the heat ... If I knew the car would do it for me or if it didn't mean the engine would start automatically on the next take off.greendwarf said:Even if this was after a longer journey, where you needed cabin heat, did you not kill the heating a few km from destination to save precious fuel?