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 Post subject: Re: Australians down under
PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2015 7:16 pm 
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gwatpe wrote:
The difficulty with navigating the MMCS defeats the purpose of disabling most of it when the car is moving.


Well at least its a step up from the iMiEV. Agree the disabled parts are totally annoying and everyone thinks the menu structure is rediculous, but to me the lack of a traditional "trip computer" is really puzzling, how easy would it be to have the km, kWh, L/100km etc from the last 10 trips? I find the graphs are almost useless. I have my charge cost set to $9 instead of 9c and at least that seems to make that graph work, but the others are meaningless and I'm a big fan of graphs usually.
I've seen the iMiEV head unit in other vehicles eg Toyota so my feeling is that the software is almost definitely built by a 3rd party and the usefulness probably gets lost either in the translation or in making the MMCS "generic" (or adapting it from a generic base).

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 Post subject: Re: Australians down under
PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2015 9:43 pm 
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I have heard of other users chopping a few zeros off to make the graphs more realistic. I think I might have to do that on mine as well.

It is a shame the iMiEV doesn't display as much info as the PHEV does. Because I'm sure most people that buy them are early adopters who are interested in the technology and this data.

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 Post subject: Re: Australians down under
PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 2:04 am 
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zzcoopej wrote:
gwatpe wrote:
The difficulty with navigating the MMCS defeats the purpose of disabling most of it when the car is moving.


Well at least its a step up from the iMiEV. Agree the disabled parts are totally annoying and everyone thinks the menu structure is rediculous, but to me the lack of a traditional "trip computer" is really puzzling, how easy would it be to have the km, kWh, L/100km etc from the last 10 trips? I find the graphs are almost useless. I have my charge cost set to $9 instead of 9c and at least that seems to make that graph work, but the others are meaningless and I'm a big fan of graphs usually.
I've seen the iMiEV head unit in other vehicles eg Toyota so my feeling is that the software is almost definitely built by a 3rd party and the usefulness probably gets lost either in the translation or in making the MMCS "generic" (or adapting it from a generic base).


What a good idea, I'll increase the unit cost so it actually shows on the graph and compar that with the one I have fitted to the charger.

But 9c/kWh :o :o Our grid charge is 27c/kWh over in the west, of course, when we charge during the day it is free due to the PV setup.

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 Post subject: Re: Australians down under
PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 2:13 am 
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The Y-axis of the Charge Cost graph was originally setup for Yen, and unfortunately, it doesn't automatically scale when you configure it for more valuable currencies. So, you had to input a very high cost per kWh, like €10 per kWh (IIRC) before it would become noticeable on the graph.

But if I am not mistaken this was fixed by an SW update to MMCS. Need to check :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: Australians down under
PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 3:25 pm 
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NAPpy wrote:
But 9c/kWh :o :o Our grid charge is 27c/kWh over in the west, of course, when we charge during the day it is free due to the PV setup.

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27c is not too bad, I would need to pay 53c if I wanted to charge the car 2-8pm weekdays however we can fortunately avoid that. I only get 9c as I'm on TOU and charge via timer overnight. I know of some people who charge using the off-peak hot water tariff here in NSW with the power companies written approval, is that not possible in WA?

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 Post subject: Re: Australians down under
PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 3:26 pm 
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anko wrote:
fixed by an SW update to MMCS. Need to check :oops:


Can the MMCS be updated without going to the dealer? Is there a list of version numbers or something so I can check that as I've googled and can't find any info.

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 Post subject: Re: Australians down under
PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 10:01 pm 
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zzcoopej wrote:
anko wrote:
fixed by an SW update to MMCS. Need to check :oops:


Can the MMCS be updated without going to the dealer? Is there a list of version numbers or something so I can check that as I've googled and can't find any info.


I complained to my dealer a year ago and there were no MMCS updates then. The last service, 15000 had no updates to MMCS but have found that there is an update available for the GPS maps and there have been a few phone app updates.

Will be requesting the new GPS file next week, so will again ask about the charge costs.

BTW I just set the cost to read kWh x 10, ie 10.00 gives sort of meaningful graphs. any changes to the cost applies only for new data. Old data is still not readable on the graphs. Quite easy to compare kWh on the car to an external meter.

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 Post subject: Re: Australians down under
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:40 pm 
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[quote/] 27c is not too bad, I would need to pay 53c if I wanted to charge the car 2-8pm weekdays however we can fortunately avoid that. I only get 9c as I'm on TOU and charge via timer overnight. I know of some people who charge using the off-peak hot water tariff here in NSW with the power companies written approval, is that not possible in WA?[/quote]


We are able to connect to the Pool Pump Tariff here in QLD, so we are paying 20c /kWh & have power for about 18 hours / day


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 Post subject: Re: Australians down under
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:02 am 
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sawman82 wrote:
Yep, less than 10A.

Hey, if you have a look at the new Outlander (non PHEV) on the Australian website, I note that you can now get the MMCS with DAB digital radio! I wonder if there will be an upgrade option for PHEV owners? That was one of the gripes that I had when buying the Outlander PHEV as the top end Prius and Camry Hybrid models have it.



I asked Mitsubishi about that, they said it was an entirely new MMCS not a software update. I call BS on that as the UK models ship with DAB+ and have done for some time.

We love our PHEV Aspire but it's not been trouble free in fact its been back to the dealer no less than 5 times in the first 2 months.
I had trouble with the app, so the dealer updated the software in the car. after that it returned an internal fault code and I could not set the charge timer all. They had another go at fixing it a week later, that only succeeded in stopping the A/C fan from running. All of the above was finally fixed with new main board.

Issue number 2 from the first night we got car we got the "Charge filed due to system malfunction message" randomly.
After 6 days at the dealer and a call (from us) to Mitsubishi in Adelaide, that was resolved with a new part in the charging system (they said it was a rectifier, but after us calling Mitsubishi in Adelaide to "Help" them sort it out I think they would have said anything to see us and the PHEV go away)

I would love to know how to get DAB+ running the in MMCS but I don't think our dealer is going to help ;-)


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 Post subject: Re: Australians down under
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:24 pm 
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I suspect with the DAB radio that there is a component missing in the MMCS. I have checked menus after my MMCS was upgrades with GPS maps and the DAB radio tab in the radio signal strength check menu, is grey. AUS shipped unit probably don't have a DAB RF tuner installed.

AUS is considered a hot country by MMC, so there are many differences to EU shipped cars, and to add, There is no digital radio where I live, so I would never be able to check for signals. I think Adelaide has some Digital radio, so probably only cities and not regional service, so MMC chose to not supply components in MMCS.

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