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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Outlander PHEV reviews and what we know
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:23 pm 
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Wired UK review out: http://www.wired.co.uk/article/mitsubis ... 019-review

One component they particularly criticize is the GKN eTransmission, and the overall tone of the review leans toward the negative.

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Improved insulation against noise and vibration makes new Outlander PHEV a relaxing place to sit and it remains quiet at motorway speeds, so long as the driver goes easy on the throttle inputs. It's only the engine/gearbox combo that spoils the peace and tranquillity from inside, with the “Multimode eTransmission” occasionally holding on to gears for far too long and allowing a jarring, monotonous engine note to leak into the cabin.

We only experienced this when the engine was under particularly heavy loads, such as climbing steep hills or attempting to perform a quick overtraining manoeuvre, but it was unpleasant nonetheless.


Its quite scary when a reviewer clearly has no understanding of the car at all. All the talk of gears is nonsense, it doesn't have a gearbox (apart from one constant fixed ratio)
It is not holding a gear, its constant engine note is because the engine is working as an independent electrical generator and therefore holds the steady speed for best efficiency to make the most current.
As soon as power requirement on the vehicle reduces the engine either reduces its set speed or shuts off altogether and runs on the charge its put in the battery or runs in parallel mode and matches engine speed to road speed whilst pulling the car through an electronic clutch.

Any car makes more engine noise under hard load, the only difference in the PHEV is its engine may run at a fixed speed not directly related to road speed. If someone finds that more annoying, then they are an idiot.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Outlander PHEV reviews and what we know
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:13 pm 
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I'd trust a Wired car review about as much as an Autocar review of a laptop. Wired used to aspire to be the house magazine of Silicon Valley - these days, heaven knows what it's trying to be.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Outlander PHEV reviews and what we know
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I honestly dont know what would please them?

The volvo xc90 phev is £60-70k isn it?
Range Rover Sport Hybrid is £70k up
The BMW X5 XDrive40e is 'cheap' at £56k but only 18 miles of ev range.

Cheapest outlander phev is £32k

But yes lets complain the Mitsubishi isnt as good as a car costing twice as much.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Outlander PHEV reviews and what we know
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:36 pm 
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robdickinson wrote:
I honestly dont know what would please them?

The volvo xc90 phev is £60-70k isn it?
Range Rover Sport Hybrid is £70k up
The BMW X5 XDrive40e is 'cheap' at £56k but only 18 miles of ev range.

Cheapest outlander phev is £32k

But yes lets complain the Mitsubishi isnt as good as a car costing twice as much.


I'm curious how the Outlander compares to other PHEV's in the same price range in regards to ICE-turn-on NVH. For example, Car and Driver says about the Chevy Volt ICE turn-on:

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Once the battery is tapped out, the 101-hp engine fires up to drive the front wheels and recharge the lithium-ion cells, with help from the motor/generators. This occurs so gently that it’s easy to miss the subtle shudder when combustion kicks in.


https://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/volt

I've never heard the Outlander's ICE turn-on described like this. So is this a fair criticism, do other PHEV's in this price range do better with ICE turn-on? (other PHEV's in the USA market around the $30,000 price point include Chevy Volt, Ford Fusion (aka Mondeo), Kia Niro, and Toyota Prius Prime).

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Outlander PHEV reviews and what we know
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I dont think the phev's ice is very subtle or quiet, its quite gnarly when running but even then cruising around in a 50km city its unobtrusive.

the volt never seen one, its a bit more ev than ice compared to the outlander, bigger battery smaller engine

But in truth the 3 you have listed are all 2wd saloon cars , comparing against an suv like the outlander is irrelevant IMO, if I didnt need the 4wd suv aspect I'd have something else...


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Outlander PHEV reviews and what we know
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:07 pm 
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robdickinson wrote:
I dont think the phev's ice is very subtle or quiet, its quite gnarly when running but even then cruising around in a 50km city its unobtrusive.

the volt never seen one, its a bit more ev than ice compared to the outlander, bigger battery smaller engine

But in truth the 3 you have listed are all 2wd saloon cars , comparing against an suv like the outlander is irrelevant IMO, if I didnt need the 4wd suv aspect I'd have something else...


Based on the above logic, one could dismiss any and all criticism against the Outlander PHEV, since it is the only SUV PHEV in its price range. To mitigate that reality and provide a somewhat fair basis for comparison, is the reason why my question was very targeted, the specific PHEV operation for ICE turn-on NVH.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Outlander PHEV reviews and what we know
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:54 pm 
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BobEngineer wrote:
Woodman411 wrote:
Wired UK review out: http://www.wired.co.uk/article/mitsubis ... 019-review

One component they particularly criticize is the GKN eTransmission, and the overall tone of the review leans toward the negative.

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Improved insulation against noise and vibration makes new Outlander PHEV a relaxing place to sit and it remains quiet at motorway speeds, so long as the driver goes easy on the throttle inputs. It's only the engine/gearbox combo that spoils the peace and tranquillity from inside, with the “Multimode eTransmission” occasionally holding on to gears for far too long and allowing a jarring, monotonous engine note to leak into the cabin.

We only experienced this when the engine was under particularly heavy loads, such as climbing steep hills or attempting to perform a quick overtraining manoeuvre, but it was unpleasant nonetheless.


Its quite scary when a reviewer clearly has no understanding of the car at all. All the talk of gears is nonsense, it doesn't have a gearbox (apart from one constant fixed ratio)
It is not holding a gear, its constant engine note is because the engine is working as an independent electrical generator and therefore holds the steady speed for best efficiency to make the most current.
As soon as power requirement on the vehicle reduces the engine either reduces its set speed or shuts off altogether and runs on the charge its put in the battery or runs in parallel mode and matches engine speed to road speed whilst pulling the car through an electronic clutch.

Any car makes more engine noise under hard load, the only difference in the PHEV is its engine may run at a fixed speed not directly related to road speed. If someone finds that more annoying, then they are an idiot.
Quite agree. It takes a bit of getting used to that the engine revs are linked to load rather than speed and gear ratio. Nobody thinks it strange that an automatic is noisy when accelerating with kick-down.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Outlander PHEV reviews and what we know
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I would hope that the transmission holds on to a gear - it only has one :roll:

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[It is not holding a gear, its constant engine note is because the engine is working as an independent electrical generator and therefore holds the steady speed for best efficiency to make the most current.
While driving (in serial mode) the ICE hardly sticks to a steady speed. I think what they refer to is the high revving. This high revving is not a result of maximising efficiency but a result of producing enough power to saturate the generator (70 kW output of the ICE @ 4100 RPM results in 60 kW output of the generator).


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Outlander PHEV reviews and what we know
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https://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/news/1 ... i-ev-drive

When describing the 2019 Outlander PHEV, Toshinaga Kato, vice executive officer of Mitsubishi's Asean division, was quoted as saying:

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"A battery can last for up to eight years if it is carefully used," he said.


Wouldn't we love for him to expound what he means by "carefully used"? :D In the USA, Mitsubishi warrants the PHEV components to 100,000 miles or 10 years, whichever comes first. I'm curious if by year 9 or 10, they will replace the drive-battery under warranty, but something tells me that is unlikely.

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