Interested in Purchasing 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV – Seeking Advice regarding battery degradation

[jat78]

Hello fellow forum members,
I hope this post finds you all well. I'm currently in the market for a new vehicle and have set my sights on the 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. However, before making this significant decision, I wanted to reach out to the experienced members here for some guidance.

I've done some research online and found that the earlier models of the Outlander PHEV had concerns regarding battery degradation. Can anyone provide insights into whether Mitsubishi has addressed this issue in the 2023 model, or even in the earlier models from 2020 to 2022?

Thank you in advance for taking the time to share your knowledge

 

[AndyInOz]

Did they?

 

[DibbyDibbyDJ]

I don't believe that the 2014+ PHEV suffered with it.

In the 2023 PHEV MMC have changed a lot in the software and hardware, just as a lot of tech has changed in the last 9 years. There are added features to control temperature and charging rates, as well as being modern technology in the control systems.

 

[jat78]

Thank you DibbyDibbyDJ for sharing this information. Your insights have given me more peace of mind about purchasing 2023 Outlander.

 

[kpetrov]

Battery degradation is not such a problem if your daily commute is not around the advertised electric range and you expect to be on electric power only for advertised range. I know of vehicles over 200000km even 300000km and the battery is in 60% range.

I vote against 2023 PHEV only if you live in very cold climate cause it doesn't have a battery heater.

 

[Panther]

I bought a 2023 phev in August 23 . In the warmer months I was getting between 80 -90 K per charge but since winter has arrived here in Ontario it has dropped to 60 -65 K
Very happy with vehicle

 

[Keefy]

I don't believe that the 2014+ PHEV suffered with it.

In the 2023 PHEV MMC have changed a lot in the software and hardware, just as a lot of tech has changed in the last 9 years. There are added features to control temperature and charging rates, as well as being modern technology in the control systems.

And what have the changes been? AFAIK there wasn't really much wrong with the hardware in the older models. It was Mitsubishi programming their battery management system so that the State of health of the battery was reduced over time. It wasn't like they were striving to acknowledge and fix their "Issues" they seemed to actively reduce the capacity, re wrote their warranty to avoid claims, and employed a team of people to fend off claims.

The problem was Mitsubishi and that hasn't changed. I wouldn't buy one without reading their new warranty and I would want to see measurable metrics in that warranty like other manufacturers do. e.g. "Battery is warranted for 70% of original capacity after 10 years or free replacement". From memory it had been watered down to something ambiguous like "Warranty covers battery faults". So they can argue that what every you have is not a bug its a feature until you give up.

 

[maby]

And what have the changes been? AFAIK there wasn't really much wrong with the hardware in the older models. It was Mitsubishi programming their battery management system so that the State of health of the battery was reduced over time. It wasn't like they were striving to acknowledge and fix their "Issues" they seemed to actively reduce the capacity, re wrote their warranty to avoid claims, and employed a team of people to fend off claims.

The problem was Mitsubishi and that hasn't changed. I wouldn't buy one without reading their new warranty and I would want to see measurable metrics in that warranty like other manufacturers do. e.g. "Battery is warranted for 70% of original capacity after 10 years or free replacement". From memory it had been watered down to something ambiguous like "Warranty covers battery faults". So they can argue that what every you have is not a bug its a feature until you give up.

I think this is the case with all EVs. We've just cancelled our reservation on a new Ford Explorer full-EV after discussing the battery warranty - and that was not a cheap vehicle.

Martin

 

[PauloNZ]

I have an April 2022 version of the new model which has now done 36,000km (22,000 miles) and have not noticed any reduction in fully charged range. In New Zealand it has 5 or 8 year warranty anyway although I'm sure they have fine print! A nice car, makes the old models appear very under powered and basic.

 

[blackwp]

Degradation report:
When my 2023 Oulander was new it took 19kw (measured at the charger) to charge from dead empty to full.
I just tested again yesterday. The car in now at 18000km and takes 18.5kw
That's less that 3% regrade. I'm super happy with that!

Please note that I very rarely fully drain or fully charge the battery. This is done as a test benchmark.

 

[maby]

With a hybrid, it's a lot less important than it is with a pure EV - you burn more petrol, but you still get there. We were prepared to spend close to £60,000 on the replacement for the PHEV, but could not find an acceptable option. There are a few on the market with published ranges at new which were just about enough, but a degradation of 25% would have left us with a car that was not acceptable. We went back to petrol.

Martin

 

[blackwp]

With a hybrid, it's a lot less important than it is with a pure EV - you burn more petrol, but you still get there. We were prepared to spend close to £60,000 on the replacement for the PHEV, but could not find an acceptable option. There are a few on the market with published ranges at new which were just about enough, but a degradation of 25% would have left us with a car that was not acceptable. We went back to petrol.

Martin

Hi Martin, the new Outlander is almost half your budget and brilliant. But I don't think they are in the Uk market anymore unfortunately.
Btw its 40% more power. 0-60 under 6 secs

 

[littlescrote]

Degradation report:
When my 2023 Oulander was new it took 19kw (measured at the charger) to charge from dead empty to full.
I just tested again yesterday. The car in now at 18000km and takes 18.5kw
That's less that 3% regrade. I'm super happy with that!

Please note that I very rarely fully drain or fully charge the battery. This is done as a test benchmark.

kWh

 

[maby]

Hi Martin, the new Outlander is almost half your budget and brilliant. But I don't think they are in the Uk market anymore unfortunately.
Btw its 40% more power. 0-60 under 6 secs

I need a minimum of 250 miles range - and a genuine 250 miles, not some theoretical figure that might be achievable on a warmish May afternoon on the flat with the Aircon off...

Martin

 

[michael8554]

My 2014 11kWh has a over 9 UK gallon fuel tank and does a 240 mile journey without refueling.
If you use the modes correctly you get a third to half the journey on battery.
I've never tried it but I'd guess over 300 mile range.

 

[maby]

My 2014 11kWh has a over 9 UK gallon fuel tank and does a 240 mile journey without refueling.
If you use the modes correctly you get a third to half the journey on battery.
I've never tried it but I'd guess over 300 mile range.

My 2014 did 300 on a tank most weeks. I simply came to the conclusion that if I could not go pure EV, I might as well stick with petrol. I ended up buying an X-Trail ePower - electric transmission but no pretence at EV so I'm not lugging around many pounds of batteries that contribute very little.

Martin

 

[AndyInOz]

My 2014 did 300 on a tank most weeks. I simply came to the conclusion that if I could not go pure EV, I might as well stick with petrol. I ended up buying an X-Trail ePower - electric transmission but no pretence at EV so I'm not lugging around many pounds of batteries that contribute very little.

Martin

Understood.

The owner's usage pattern makes a big difference.

I had a 7km commute to work, so 90% of my driving was within the electric range.

Trips towing my kayak made the hybrid aspect ideal for me.

However, I'd originally been researching buying or building a pure electric vehicle before deciding to buy the PHEV.

After nine years, I remain sold on the concept because it means that I don't need to have multiple vehicles, or hire vehicles, for the longer trips.

 

[Lorgasman]

Hello fellow forum members,
I hope this post finds you all well. I'm currently in the market for a new vehicle and have set my sights on the 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. However, before making this significant decision, I wanted to reach out to the experienced members here for some guidance.

I've done some research online and found that the earlier models of the Outlander PHEV had concerns regarding battery degradation. Can anyone provide insights into whether Mitsubishi has addressed this issue in the 2023 model, or even in the earlier models from 2020 to 2022?

Thank you in advance for taking the time to share your knowledge

My 2016 outlander has covered 122000 miles the battery still gives me about 14 miles in the winter, with a full battery and full tank I get around 250 fo 280 miles, It has never let me down and has been service regularly, needed a 12v battery about a month ago other than that just wear and tear items.

 

[yardbird]

I think the US model has more stringent software regulating the EV miles (as compared to UK & European models) for my 2018 PHEV with 12Kwhr battery, it was 21 EV miles in 2018 and only about 12 EV miles now. Full tank gas with fully charge battery has over 310 miles at least.

 

[Alnphev]

My 2016 outlander has covered 122000 miles the battery still gives me about 14 miles in the winter, with a full battery and full tank I get around 250 fo 280 miles, It has never let me down and has been service regularly, needed a 12v battery about a month ago other than that just wear and tear items.

YES, I can help! I bought a 2018 with only 24k miles a year ago from a dealer. The idiots didn''t even get the charging cable from the previous owner! I called him and got it. This means for the several months the car sat there, it was never charged. So, at a full night's charge, I have 9 electric miles. I have charged it nightly since and driven 30k more mile driving Uber. It still gets 9. I have taken it to a dealer who came up with "normal degration" and wouldn't do anything. See youtube for "How to fix the PHEV Battery Degradation Problem!". This guy has been tryig to figure this out for a long time.

Have the dealers seen this, appearantly not.

Meanwhile, even with only 9 miles. if I drive less than 30miles, it shows I am getting crazy mileage, like over 100mpg! Then as I continue to drive and the battery runs down, the motor then charges the battery as you continue to drive on electric and at the end of the day, 30mph is about the lowest I have ever had, Love the way it dives and handles. Smooth, quiet, fast, and corners great.

I just went online and saw this update: