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 Post subject: Bad UI
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:29 am 
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I am sure there is a related thread however I cant find it in the search engine.
The UI in the PHEV is terrible compared to my 13 Volt.
It drives me crazy that if I want to utilize the defroster on my 14 mile round trip commute the engine starts!
This is completely unnecessary.
Currently to prevent it I have to select EV, ECO, Auto on climate, Mode button three times to get to defrost/foot well.
Then if I forget to turn off climate when I leave the car the next start cycle the vehicle immediately starts the dam engine.
God I wish Tesla would start production of the "Y"
Is there a fix for this?
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 Post subject: Re: Bad UI
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:30 pm 
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Sell it and move on.


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 Post subject: Re: Bad UI
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:38 pm 
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Sorry, user issue I would say.

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 Post subject: Re: Bad UI
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More like the common misunderstanding, thinking that a PHEV vehicle is the same as a full electric one.

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 Post subject: Re: Bad UI
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Why shouldn't it start the engine? It's a PHEV not a BEV, so has a petrol engine that's really good at producing heat quickly.

As in previous posts, some people seem to have been misled or have misunderstood about what a PHEV is. It is not an EV car with a range extending generator. The petrol engine is an integral part of the drivetrain and the heating system and indeed for anything over the average commute petrol is the main source of power. Yes it's possible to make it work like a pure EV by manually turning things off, but that's not how it was designed to be used.

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 Post subject: Re: Bad UI
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:21 am 
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richr wrote:
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Yes it's possible to make it work like a pure EV by manually turning things off, but that's not how it was designed to be used.


And may contribute to the early battery failure that seems to be a risk with the PHEV - it's a small battery pack in a car that was designed to run as a hybrid, not a pure EV.


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 Post subject: Re: Bad UI
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:00 am 
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Common guys. BEV or no BEV, the fact that you cannot prevent the ICE from starting up (other than through very thorough planning upfront), even when moving the car just 20 meters in order to relocate it from a charge bay to a normal parking bay, is inexcusable!

I think over the 5+ years of ownership, my ICE must have made at least 300 - 400 cold starts that have not resulted in any power being delivered to the wheels or battery or heat being delivered to the exterior. Also inexcusable. If I had known upfront, I don't think I would have bought an Outlander PHEV to begin with.

But what annoys me is the fact that in 2019 people still buy this car and are 'caught by surprise' and bitch about it. Unlike back in 2012 when I signed my purchase order, there is so much info on the internet describing this behaviour. How can one not know? If you are okay with this behaviour that is all fine. But if you are not, why not sort it out up front? I know. I know. Assumptions .... :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Bad UI
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:29 am 
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anko wrote:
Common guys. BEV or no BEV, the fact that you cannot prevent the ICE from starting up (other than through very thorough planning upfront), even when moving the car just 20 meters in order to relocate it from a charge bay to a normal parking bay, is inexcusable!

I think over the 5+ years of ownership, my ICE must have made at least 300 - 400 cold starts that have not resulted in any power being delivered to the wheels or battery or heat being delivered to the exterior. Also inexcusable. If I had known upfront, I don't think I would have bought an Outlander PHEV to begin with.

But what annoys me is the fact that in 2019 people still buy this car and are 'caught by surprise' and bitch about it. Unlike back in 2012 when I signed my purchase order, there is so much info on the internet describing this behaviour. How can one not know? If you are okay with this behaviour that is all fine. But if you are not, why not sort it out up front? I know. I know. Assumptions .... :mrgreen:


How deep somebody need to study a car before buy it ?

When I order my BMW X1 ... I did not even seen it ... I just trust BMW ... so I just needed to check high level features /specs and design ...

People assume that designers of the car are not "lazy" (I would like to use a different world, but I know some people are sensible over the reputation of the Mitsubishi engineers )

The problem is a pain for every Outlander PHEV owner since 2013 ... how is possible that they still did not fix after 6 years ?

How complicated it is to make ECU or EV ... sticky ... and remember it on the next start up ?

So ... should we blame somebody for not have done his "homework" before buying his car ... or Mitsubishi for not be able to do the "basic" ?


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 Post subject: Re: Bad UI
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:34 am 
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anko wrote:
Sell it and move on.


You told me something similar back at the time I did got my PHEV

I can tell you .. this type of reply just don't help

Sell and move on ... it is something not possible ... and it is super annoying to get this feedback


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 Post subject: Re: Bad UI
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:39 am 
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mort wrote:
I am sure there is a related thread however I cant find it in the search engine.
The UI in the PHEV is terrible compared to my 13 Volt.
It drives me crazy that if I want to utilize the defroster on my 14 mile round trip commute the engine starts!
This is completely unnecessary.
Currently to prevent it I have to select EV, ECO, Auto on climate, Mode button three times to get to defrost/foot well.
Then if I forget to turn off climate when I leave the car the next start cycle the vehicle immediately starts the dam engine.
God I wish Tesla would start production of the "Y"
Is there a fix for this?
:evil:


The best solution .. it is to always switch off ventilation, ideally having this set to 15C before without AC ... before switch off the car .. so on next restart the ICE will not kick in.

If concern you to have unwanted / unneeded ICE start ... you will get familiar with the clicks before switch off, and the sequence of click after switch on again the car.

At the end .. it will become routine in few days/weeks of usage

PS: I suggest to make the keyfob hack ... for activate the defrost from a double click on keyfob ... this hack is the best feature in my PHEV ... it is more convenient to have the car defrosted before starting the trip, than do it "later"


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