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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:01 am 
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You are, of course, aware it will now be the warmest winter on record with temperatures consistently above 7 degrees....


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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:36 am 
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Location: Inverness, Scotland, UK. 2014 GX4h with clear rear light lenses.
Yes, probably. Where I live we didn't actually have any snow at all last year. Although we have had quite a bit in the past and everywhere pretty much grinds to a halt. ObviousIy I regularly inform (bore?) people with the fact that 'winter' tyres are not just about snow, but I have noticed a slightly glazed expression is often the result. In fact most people glaze over if I talk about tyres at all really. Judging by the amount of bald ones I see (tyres, not people) quite a lot of driver's clearly have no idea what tyres are actually for, and no understanding of the fact that if they were involved in a crash while using bald tyres, their insurance is quite likely to be invalid.

I used to have a Jeep Cherokee and when we had snow I either just didn't go out or if I did, spent my time towing people out of ditches and up hills. Especially BMWs and Mercs which in the past were mostly RWD, sometimes they had tread on their tyres to start with but then burnt most of it off wheelspinning on the ice! My intention is though to move to the Scottish Highlands and of all the places I can think of in the UK this is definitely your best bet for snow and ice. And some of those Highland roads are not somewhere you'd want to find yourself sliding about too much - you probably wouldn't be found until the next spring.


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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:22 pm 
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Indeed. I often leave London at between 0500-0700 when the temperature can be surprisingly low and winter tyres can make a huge difference.


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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:17 am 
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Claymore wrote:
I had 4 Vredestein Quatrac 5 (all season) fitted a couple of weeks ago.

I'd have gone for Michelin Cross Climate's if I'd found them available at the time of order but the Vredesteins seem to get pretty good reviews as all season tyres with Mud and Snow ratings, and low rolling resistance like the Michelins.

Despite the cooler overnight temperatures I seem to be getting about 10% better range than with the Toyos.

I ordered the tyres online via 'MyTyres' and they were shipped from Germany to a local fitter who put 4 on for less than £50. The fitter also offered to store the Toyos (only 10,000 miles on them) free for a year in case of punctures or the like.

Very happy with the tyres so far.

JimB
This echoes my experience. The Michelins were supposed to be available by early December, which I translate as "sometime next spring" so I ordered the Vredesteins instead. Less expensive too.

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:24 am 
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Location: Inverness, Scotland, UK. 2014 GX4h with clear rear light lenses.
I now have my Falken's fitted, they seem pretty much round and black, although a lot of balancing was needed. The fitter suggested I ran them for a month and then had them re-balanced as less weights (the stick-on type) should be needed. Although he was reluctant to put any of the heavier, clamp-on type weights onto the inside edge of the immaculate new powder coated rims which, I notice Mitsubishi had been prepared to use on the OEM R37 Toyo rims. He was of the opinion that all 4X4 tyres are a bit of a pain when it come to balancing - no matter how much they cost.

I put the new wheel/tyre combination on the PHEV today and then took a short drive. Up to 80mph All seems good to me. Tyres a bit noisier at low speed but otherwise feel pretty much the same as the R37 Toyos.

Two Questions have now arisen: 1) With four new Mitsubishi TPMS valves fitted to the 'new' OEM wheels/Falkens I was led to believe that I would get a 'tyre pressure warning' er, warning from the PHEV, as the 'summer' wheels are now in my garage and not on the PHEV. No such warning has materialised yet though. The new TPMS valves haven't yet been programmed into the ECU, doing that on Monday. I definitely have the TPMS system fitted as the existing valves are all metal and the selector (which is still on '1') is on the menu next to the speedo.

2) The Mitsubishi dealer told me last week that each tyre/wheel combination is numbered to the ECU. ie. 1-2-3-4 for each individual wheel, so when the wheels are removed you have to mark on the wheel which one is in which position, otherwise when you replace them next year the system won't work, or will give false readings. Not heard anybody mention this before - is this true? In the past main dealers have always had a thing about rotating the position of tyres/wheels to encourage even wear - or is this no longer the case?


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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:21 pm 
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NightPHEVer wrote:
2) The Mitsubishi dealer told me last week that each tyre/wheel combination is numbered to the ECU. ie. 1-2-3-4 for each individual wheel, so when the wheels are removed you have to mark on the wheel which one is in which position, otherwise when you replace them next year the system won't work, or will give false readings. Not heard anybody mention this before - is this true? In the past main dealers have always had a thing about rotating the position of tyres/wheels to encourage even wear - or is this no longer the case?


Sounds like rubbish to me, as my wheels have been swapped around without any warnings - and I definitely have TPMS, as numerous slow punctures testify to :lol: . Unless this has changed on later versions (mine is 2014) the warning never indicates which wheel is faulty, so this sounds like just another dealer not actually understanding his product - perhaps other Mitsu models can and have confused him.


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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:47 pm 
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If you have directional tyres (and many are) don't swap left-right, but front - rear only.

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:02 am 
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Location: Inverness, Scotland, UK. 2014 GX4h with clear rear light lenses.
Winter Falken Eurowinter HS01's are directional but R37 Toyo's aren't. I've just noticed on googling PHEV TPMS that there's a thread on this very subject from 2014-15. The question about the tyres/wheels position was bought up then too...

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My local MMC dealer is going to code in the new sensors next week, however ( finally I get to the point!) they said that the sensors are coded to a particular location on the car and so I should ensure that wheels are clearly marked where they were fitted when I change the wheels over to avoid sensor errors in the future. Does this fit with what other people have been told or experienced ? I can see that it would be incredibly time consuming to try all 10 possible wheel layouts if this is the case and you haven't marked them when you changed !

Steve


Nobody seemed then to know the answer though...

Upon reading all of this TPMS thread though it looks as though my 'winter' valves may or may not cause a warning to be displayed. Or they might next time I drive the car! I'm getting the new ones programmed in tomorrow at my local Mitsubishi dealer. Presumably I don't need to take the 'summer' tyres/wheels with me too? The menu setting is still on '1' at the moment.

UPDATE: 'TPMS service required' warning then did appear when I switched PHEV on the next day. New TPMS valves now successfully tuned-in. Took my local Mitsubishi dealer a bit longer than they'd hoped for as they'd never done a second set before. They charged me £36.00 (half an hour) to tune them in to the ECU. I was given an explanation about the positioning of each TPMS, which was something to do with the dealer's Mitsubishi diagnostics being able to detect - in the event of a warning being displayed - which actual tyre (if it had a very slow deflation) or indeed faulty TPMS valve - was causing the warning to display. ie. the diagnostics would highlight 'offside rear wheel' for instance, and if the 'offside rear wheel' was no longer in its originally programmed position the diagnostics wouldn't be able to identify which wheel had the fault (I think).


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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:20 am 
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Just had my winter tyres/wheels put back on, as I had to take Phoebe in to get the recall work done. As far as I'm aware, there is no need to replace the tyres in the same place. I've swapped over a few times now (both at Mitsubishi garage and an independent), and no-one has ever asked/told me differently, so it's very unlikely they've always gone back in the same place!
When I drove off from the garage, there was no TPMS warning, so I assumed they had re-set the TPMS to 'set 2' (i.e. the winter set), but after about 20 minutes, the TPMS warning came up.... I had assumed it would happen much more quickly than that. Anyway, when I got home, I discovered it was just that they had left it on 'set 1', and so I changed it to 'set 2' in the menu settings, and that seems to have sorted it....

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Tyres?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:57 pm 
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I followed this thread when it first started in 2014 but haven't thought abut winter tyres for a while.

Can anyone summarise the issues of swapping tyres on the same set of rims? I know some people have purchased a second set of alloys to avoid swapping the tyres every 6 months, but I'm not convinced I can justify the expense as well as the tyres.

Is there any significant problem (apart from tyre storage) of swapping to winters on the same rims?

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