I am currently having the same 'discussion' with my dealer... There's three grand in it before i'll do a deal. He's close, but not that close, and as they sell hardly any cars here in July, I reckon I'll get there - I love doing it! The frustrating thing is we agreed that I would be interested only if he dropped it a certain amount, and then he all but reneged on it... He's a trainee, so I won't hang him too much, but I'll certainly make him work for his money lol