Phevy said:I can see your hoping, but I decided to jump in, as I am doubtful the credits will remain long enough in place, until the updated PHEV will arrive this side of the pond.
maverickf said:Is it going to be in US? If so, should I save my money for the 2019 version? A dealer offered me almost $7000 off the MSRP for the 2018 model. Should I go for it?
Woodman411 said:I have verified with a USA Mitsubishi dealer that the Canadian memo mentioned in this thread did not get sent to USA dealers. The USA dealer is expecting, in fact, telling customers that inquire, that powertrain updates are coming for 2019.
generaltso said:Woodman411 said:I have verified with a USA Mitsubishi dealer that the Canadian memo mentioned in this thread did not get sent to USA dealers. The USA dealer is expecting, in fact, telling customers that inquire, that powertrain updates are coming for 2019.
My guess is that that dealer will have a lot of disappointment customers that based decisions on that information.
maverickf said:Is it going to be in US? If so, should I save my money for the 2019 version? A dealer offered me almost $7000 off the MSRP for the 2018 model. Should I go for it?
maverickf said:Is it going to be in US? If so, should I save my money for the 2019 version? A dealer offered me almost $7000 off the MSRP for the 2018 model. Should I go for it?
creddy said:maverickf said:Is it going to be in US? If so, should I save my money for the 2019 version? A dealer offered me almost $7000 off the MSRP for the 2018 model. Should I go for it?
Could you please let me know which state you got this offer in? In NJ, a dealer is offering $5000 off MSRP ($2000 manufacturer rebate, $3000 dealer discount), but if your state is close enough I'd be happy to fly in to purchase for the additional $2000 discount.
Woodman411 said:Fine print says "price includes all available rebates", so doubtful final discounts will be this much. YMMV, and like with any dealer, be wary about other charges and fees. Another thing to think about are the state rebates available for the Outlander PHEV, not sure how each state compares and how the rebate itself will be affected for out-of-state purchases (in CA, it's $1,500: https://www.driveclean.ca.gov/pev/Costs/Vehicles.php , I couldn't find anything for Indiana)
kelmac said:I bought now since I need the tax break this year but I think there is a strong argument to be made that given Trump's hostility towards the EPA and all things green that the EV/PHEV credits might go away altogether, having nothing to do with how few EV/PHEV cars Mitsubishi has sold. There is a February 2017 Forbes article suggesting this possibility:
Forbes article
Trump And Ryan's Hatred Of EV Tax Credit Is Threat To Tesla - Feb 19, 2017, 09:30pm
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkiley5/2017/02/19/teslas-1-threat-trumps-and-ryans-hatred-of-the-ev-tax-credit/#749a77455bef
“Making matters worse for EV sales going forward is a Republican Congress and Republican President who are trying to weaken the Environmental Protection Agency, and have no intention of extending the federal $7,500 tax credit that subsidizes EV sales in the next budget.”
In any case, I'm not sure that a larger engine and/or greater battery capacity is worth losing out on $6,000 to $7,000 off of MSRP.
Woodman411 said:...
In summary, I would disagree with "I'm not sure that a larger engine and/or greater battery capacity is worth losing out on $6,000 to $7,000 off of MSRP". I would say with MY2019, those discounts will be there, actually, it will be even greater, since the federal tax credit increases from $5,836 to US $6,711, and with a vastly improved vehicle over MY2018.
kelmac said:... I also note that they have 21 PHEVs in stock. If they are really expecting that the 2019 will be significantly better and they are expecting them anytime soon then I would think they would be more motivated to make a deal, especially with someone planning on buying two of them.
kelmac said:At the end of the day buyers have to make the best educated guess they can based upon the information they have. I’m feeling pretty good about my decision since I’m as confident as I can be that I negotiated two great deals (roughly 15% and 20% off of the MSRPs) and I believe the value of those discounts will ultimately be equal to or greater than the value of the improvements to the 2019 or, for that matter, the 2020 US Outlander PHEV: even after factoring in approximately $1,000 more on the Federal tax credit. Keep in mind that the February article in Topspeed suggests that the UK improvements may not hit the US until 2020. I did email one dealer that posted a video of the anticipated interior and exterior upgrades. Several potential buyers posted questions regarding improvements to the battery and engine and the sales manager essentially said he wasn’t authorized to post information online, but anyone was welcome to contact him; so I emailed him. I’ll let you know if I hear back.
kelmac said:In summary they seem to suggest that although the bulk of the changes are cosmetic...
kelmac said:FWIW, below is the email response I got to the inquiry I sent to a dealer that had posted the "walkaround" video of the interior and exterior of the 2019 U.S. Mitsu Outlander PHEV.
"Hello! The wheels will look a tad different, interior will be a tad different. However the engine size and battery size will remain the same for the 2019's.
We were told that from Mitsubishi a few weeks ago."
If this is accurate then it looks like minor cosmetic changes inside and out for 2019 in the U.S. If anyone knows of any dealers who've said otherwise perhaps they could try emailing them.
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