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Thought this might be of interest to the many owners experiencing cold weather angst.

Disclaimer, no way associated with Mitsubishi or reviewer quoted herein.

Quote from review: cold weather battery charging/ operations.
Read full report here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/drivin...wcm/49af727a-0036-406e-8e08-6de700fea67d/amp/
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In extreme cold, drivers should leave their Outlander PHEV connected to a charger where possible, even if its battery is full. According to chief engineer Kentaro Honda, this is like having a block heater for the battery. While plugged in, the battery pack will slowly and slightly charge and discharge itself to keep warm.


Forget to plug in on a frigid day, and you can expect a “Low Power Warning” in the vehicle’s instrument cluster, indicating reduced power output available from the traction battery. In this situation, the gasoline engine does more of the work of driving the car. The condition resolves after a few minutes of driving, once the battery has warmed up a little.


Mitsubishi has equipped the new Outlander PHEV with a heat-....
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My experience Parrot, is that plugged in or not I can get a Low Power Warning anywhere below -15C...and it can persist after driving for quite some time. I'm also shut out of "Charge" and "Save" options which doesn't hep in warming the battery. Today with ambient temperature ranging from -20C to - 23C, after idling for 15 minutes and then another half hour of driving at town speeds, this was the case. The vehicle had been plugged in overnight to charge and the block heater had been similarly connected. I drove in "Normal" mode on "Snow" setting and arrived home without the low power warning or access to the EV options changing although the battery temp had, in the last few moments of the drive, risen above the cold hashmark.

Part of the frustration of dealing with this issue is that the manufacturer has not provided much/good information using vague references to "extreme cold" without specificity. We as owners are left to try to work out what is what, and what to do about it other than"plug in and wait..." as we share a patchwork of individual experiences and exchange hearsay.
 
I've not attempted a start since so much time has been given the vehicle in the past few days and my good wife has suggested that I "get a life that doesn't revolve around the "Outlandish""

Life on the bleeding edge of technology can be fun...but sometimes it isn't.
Yea you should suggest to your wife not to complain if get stranded at -30 ;)🥶
 
So...let's talk cold...

I live in Northern BC on the Alaska Highway where the average temperature is below freezing for 4+ months a year, and we seldom have a year where we dont see temperatures below -40•C, often with stretches where the daily highs do not exceed -30(all temp references here are in Celcius). (when we talk about temperatures in the winter here we dispense with saying "minus" because it's a given. I am roughly 750 km from the nearest Mitsubishi dealer, the same distance as I am from my Subaru and Mazda dealers (we have a 2013 Forester and a 2007 Mazda Speed3), and hundreds of km from other dealers.

I shopped just about every Mitsu dealer in Canada (except Quebec - my French c'est terrible) before buying my 2023 Outlander PHEV from a dealer in Ottawa. Because of where I live I included questions about EV performance, block heater, etc. in every contact with sales reps. I received assurances that I "should have no problem" and n'ere a mention of the likes of which I've encountered or seen on this forum. Neither does the vehicle's documentation raise the issue in other than very casual and vague terms. Echoing comments elsewhere, on the subject of a block heater, I was variously told that it wasn't needed and in 2 instances that no such thing was available for the PHEV. Similarly it's not in the options list (also noted elsewhere). after some additional research, I took it to my nearest dealer who agreed that it was indeed a good idea to install a block heater, and did.

I took delivery of the Mitsu in early summer and was very impressed with just about everything about it. Then came the cold in mid November, late this year and more moderate than usual because of El Nino off the west coast. At -14 I began to get "Reduced Power" warnings. At -23ish I was introduced to the "battery is cold - may not restart..." and "battery too cold to start -plug in and wait" warnings. This past week at -30 I was instructed to "pull over safely, plug in..." and wait for things to warm up in the spring (I'm making the part about spring up-but not the pull over bit). After three days of -30's the latter warning appeared at any attempt to start.

I had naively thought that in the event there was no flow from the HV battery, that the ICE would kick in and I would still have mobility...uh, uh. I had a $55k brick in my driveway.

So, what to do? Well, the logical thing seemed to be to call Mitsubishi roadside assistance and have the vehicle moved to a warmup bay at a local repair facility. Not so easy...I was told they could send assistance to jump start the vehicle (keep in mind here that this was the same vehicle that told me to park it safely and wait for the season to change). I indicated that towing the vehicle for a warmup was my preference and I was told that that was indeed possible, but that it could only be towed to my "local dealer." I pointed out that, as noted above, that dealer was 750km away and it seemed more than a little extreme (I actually think I said "damned stupid") to do what was offered for a warmup. I then recieved an "oh BTW, that is outside our tow range so you'd have to pay for the additional distance beyond our limit." (roughly $1500cdn to me.)

Time for option 2...so I hopped into my 17 year old Mazda (market value < $1000 on a good day) that started first crank, and scooted around town to call in favours that I hadn't earned yet to get the Outlander (which my wife has started to refer to as "the Outlandish") towed and warmed, which happened. After warming, the machine threw a trouble light which once cleared has not returned. I drove the vehicle around a bit and returned it to my driveway and plugged in the charger and block heater, where it sits at present. Fortunately the weather has warmed and it will only drop to -27 tonight and rise to -21 tomorrow. We'll see what the day brings.

Nonetheless, this is not a tenable situation. I drive the Alaska Highway to the nearest large population centre a number of times a year for specialised medical treatment, to get supplies not available in my home community, to attend meetings for groups to which I belong, etc. Between where I live and the first such center is roughly 350km with stretches of road with no source of assistance for as long as a third of that, and often light traffic. So, I wonder, what might be the consequences of setting out on a drive at say -15 or so and having the temperature drop as it can do here, prompting my Mitsu to direct me to park it by the side of the road in one of those stretches in conditions sufficiently cold to cause it to do so, or as I am told could happen, stopping on its own? We here live with the cold and know that to disrespect it can result in stern correction.

Aside from the worst case scenario, is it unreasonable to expect that a vehicle sold for use in Canada should be able to operate reliably in conditions that constitute the norm for large parts of the country, including more southerly ones sharing similar climatic conditions? I think not. I am equally puzzled at the fact that vis a vis the cold start issue that Mitsubishi elected to remove HV battery pre-heating from 2023 (and 2022?) Outlander PHEV's. Was it to improve EV range numbers for marketing purposes, to cut production costs? If so I'd gladly sacrifice some range to ensure a reliable, safe start...after all what good is increased range if I cant get out of my driveway? If for cost, how much could that be in that the feature was incorporated in previous years (as far as I can tell) and it is a standard feature across the industry, specifically with KIA PHEV's for example.

It also astounds me that the level of information on the whole subject of cold climate use is so poor - not clearly documented - not known to sales and service reps and not available to us.

If you have stuck with my meandering long winded post to this point you have sensed my consternation over the issue and its various elements. Does what we are discussing constitute false advertising, negligence, or something other? Those in this forum, otherwise seemingly well informed, appear to have been caught off guard and I would expect have exercised reasonable due diligence before laying out the cash to make such a significant purchase..."buyer beware"...I think we have.

I appreciate the opportunity to address the group and hope what I've expressed provides at least something useful.
Good morning! Just saw your post about this and wanted to add my issues to the thread as they align with yours (Also in Northern BC, I bought in Grande Prairie)

I posted on Reddit about my issues. Primarily with lack of communication or lies from sales about this vehicle's capability in the winter. I am also having dialogue with Mitsubishi Canada via email about this. They of course told me to contact my dealer, my dealer told me to contact Mitsubishi Canada....

Essentially it sounds like we are screwed and could be stranded on the highway if the temperature is too cold because they stopped putting a heater on the battery from 2023 forward.

 
I'm fortunate to live in Nova Scotia where it hasn't gotten below-10C yet, so no cold weather problems yet once I let the ICE warm up the car first. If/when I do run into problems, I plan to try Mike Mas's solution of putting an all weather marine bilge heater on the driveway surface under the battery pan
Extreme Heaters post
However I expect the car will need some kind of skirt to hold heat in under high winds. I'm thinking sheets of old plywood and maybe concrete blocks. Not a desirable solution, but may get me out of a fix.
I agree that cars in Canada should be required to be marketed with information about the minimum temperature of their starting and driving range, just like the fuel consumption ratings. All cars will have a point at which they can be expected not to start without a block heater, if for no other reason than that the oil turns to sludge. But having a car designed to not start at -20C (0F) and below is not practical for Canada.
In my head, it seems like there is an easy fix for Mitsubishi. Some residential cold weather heat pumps incorporate electric heaters to augment their inefficiency in extreme below zero weather. In the Outlander, I believe the heat pump is connected to the liquid cooling system that is used to cool the batteries when charging in hot weather. If an electric heater was added to the heat exchanger of the heat pump and run off the charging current when the temperature dropped, the coolant (or warmant?) could be used to heat the battery - it would just need the software to be programmed to use it. Of course I do not know the other issues - maybe the whole thing would be much too big to fit under the hood, but if workable I would certainly pay a reasonable amount for it if it was an option. If the same coolant also flows through the ICE engine, it would probably work as a block heater for it as well.
 
Good morning! Just saw your post about this and wanted to add my issues to the thread as they align with yours (Also in Northern BC, I bought in Grande Prairie)

I posted on Reddit about my issues. Primarily with lack of communication or lies from sales about this vehicle's capability in the winter. I am also having dialogue with Mitsubishi Canada via email about this. They of course told me to contact my dealer, my dealer told me to contact Mitsubishi Canada....

Essentially it sounds like we are screwed and could be stranded on the highway if the temperature is too cold because they stopped putting a heater on the battery from 2023 forward.


UPDATE [cross-posted to the reddit thread above]:
Just off the phone with Mitsu Customer (dis)Service with the cold start issue. After 15 minutes and some prodding on my part the response distills to this:
1. as far as the company is concerned the cold start situation is "not an issue" but they are aware that many customers are experiencing difficulty.
2. the rep would NOT commit that the company is working on the problem but that owners would be notified of any developments (no ETA).
3. Owners should have been aware of the limitations of the vehicle before purchase because it says that in "extreme cold" such things would happen.
4. responding to my challenge that the manual was not readily available to buyers prior to sale there was no response.
5. returning to the challenge on the lack of specifics as to clarity on what is cold and how buyers would know what the phrase "extreme cold" meant the response was that "by international convention 'extreme cold' is defined as -25C. [subject to fact checking]
6. I was also told during the call that Tesla owners were having the same problem, as were all having a problem.
7. When invited to agree to my summary statement that "So, what you are telling me is that below -25 I own the problem" the rep denied that such was the case but offered nothing other than I'd be told if there any developments (with the non-issue).

It seems pretty clear that a single voice is not likely to produce much more than foot dragging by the company and generate a lot of "thank you for your input" responses. I have sent the particulars off to a legal firm specializing in class actions to test their interest. While my life is quite full and busy right now, and I don't need another project, I may follow up with a complaint to the federal government concerning the safety hazard inherent in the the vehicle, and, heaven forbid, contact consumer media sources.
I'd love to hear from others...
 
As far as I am aware a block heater or engine heater, or even oil pan heater will not help if your car is too cold to start. It's not the engine, it's the battery that is too cold. The main battery (not 12V) is used to start the engine. So if your car is too cold to start and you are in that situation there is really nothing you can do until the temperature (and thus battery) warms up enough. My question is, if it's super cold out and you have your car plugged in, is that enough to keep it "alive" even in the cold? I am not 100% certain of the answer. The engineer from Mitsu some people have mentioned (His name is Honda) said to leave it plugged in. I only own a 2018 so my car has the dedicated battery heater. Would be nice to know from the 2023+ owners if you have your car plugged in in sub -30 temps does it still start vs. leaving it unplugged.
Leaving mine plugged in and charging sure helped in -35C. I did do a start without plugging in all night in -16C no problem. My car is a 2023.
 
Leaving mine plugged in and charging sure helped in -35C. I did do a start without plugging in all night in -16C no problem. My car is a 2023.
I plug it in every night and it was fine for about 3 days in -35C and then on the 4th day it wouldn't start. I had to have it towed back to my house and put in my garage. We normally park our other vehicle in the garage at night but I've had to swap it to this one for the time being. The block heater (Alberta Winter Climate Package) essentially does nothing as if the battery is cold the ICE can't start anyway so there isn't much of a point in having it.
 
UPDATE [cross-posted to the reddit thread above]:
Just off the phone with Mitsu Customer (dis)Service with the cold start issue. After 15 minutes and some prodding on my part the response distills to this:
1. as far as the company is concerned the cold start situation is "not an issue" but they are aware that many customers are experiencing difficulty.
2. the rep would NOT commit that the company is working on the problem but that owners would be notified of any developments (no ETA).
3. Owners should have been aware of the limitations of the vehicle before purchase because it says that in "extreme cold" such things would happen.
4. responding to my challenge that the manual was not readily available to buyers prior to sale there was no response.
5. returning to the challenge on the lack of specifics as to clarity on what is cold and how buyers would know what the phrase "extreme cold" meant the response was that "by international convention 'extreme cold' is defined as -25C. [subject to fact checking]
6. I was also told during the call that Tesla owners were having the same problem, as were all having a problem.
7. When invited to agree to my summary statement that "So, what you are telling me is that below -25 I own the problem" the rep denied that such was the case but offered nothing other than I'd be told if there any developments (with the non-issue).

It seems pretty clear that a single voice is not likely to produce much more than foot dragging by the company and generate a lot of "thank you for your input" responses. I have sent the particulars off to a legal firm specializing in class actions to test their interest. While my life is quite full and busy right now, and I don't need another project, I may follow up with a complaint to the federal government concerning the safety hazard inherent in the the vehicle, and, heaven forbid, contact consumer media sources.
I'd love to hear from others...
I've owned Tesla S,3 and Y over eight Alberta winters and never had a problem with them starting in the cold. Also had the 2018 PHEV and it didn't have this issue. The Bolt did have this issue but at least it had a battery heater that would work if you plugged it in.

-25ºC extreme cold? Not when I lived in Yellowknife. After a -40 stretch -25 was simply tropical. :)
 
UPDATE [cross-posted to the reddit thread above]:
Just off the phone with Mitsu Customer (dis)Service with the cold start issue. After 15 minutes and some prodding on my part the response distills to this:
1. as far as the company is concerned the cold start situation is "not an issue" but they are aware that many customers are experiencing difficulty.
2. the rep would NOT commit that the company is working on the problem but that owners would be notified of any developments (no ETA).
3. Owners should have been aware of the limitations of the vehicle before purchase because it says that in "extreme cold" such things would happen.
4. responding to my challenge that the manual was not readily available to buyers prior to sale there was no response.
5. returning to the challenge on the lack of specifics as to clarity on what is cold and how buyers would know what the phrase "extreme cold" meant the response was that "by international convention 'extreme cold' is defined as -25C. [subject to fact checking]
6. I was also told during the call that Tesla owners were having the same problem, as were all having a problem.
7. When invited to agree to my summary statement that "So, what you are telling me is that below -25 I own the problem" the rep denied that such was the case but offered nothing other than I'd be told if there any developments (with the non-issue).

It seems pretty clear that a single voice is not likely to produce much more than foot dragging by the company and generate a lot of "thank you for your input" responses. I have sent the particulars off to a legal firm specializing in class actions to test their interest. While my life is quite full and busy right now, and I don't need another project, I may follow up with a complaint to the federal government concerning the safety hazard inherent in the the vehicle, and, heaven forbid, contact consumer media sources.
I'd love to hear from others...

I've owned Tesla S,3 and Y over eight Alberta winters and never had a problem with them starting in the cold. Also had the 2018 PHEV and it didn't have this issue. The Bolt did have this issue but at least it had a battery heater that would work if you plugged it in.

-25ºC extreme cold? Not when I lived in Yellowknife. After a -40 stretch -25 was simply tropical. :)
It's 100% due to them removing the heater from the batteries in 2023. They wanted to claim a longer range so they removed the heater. It's shortsighted and makes the vehicle unviable for Canadian winters. Dealers shouldn't be lying about it's capabilities during the sale process. If they had said it wouldn't work at -35 I would have bought a different vehicle, plain and simple.
 
I've owned Tesla S,3 and Y over eight Alberta winters and never had a problem with them starting in the cold. Also had the 2018 PHEV and it didn't have this issue. The Bolt did have this issue but at least it had a battery heater that would work if you plugged it in.

-25ºC extreme cold? Not when I lived in Yellowknife. After a -40 stretch -25 was simply tropical. :)
It's the same in Fort Nelson. Many years we've had weeks where the daily high didn't break out of the -30's. This is Canada for Pete's sake. If I wanted to drop a wad of cash on a car I'd have to take off the road for months in the winter I'd not have bought a "reliable" Mitsubishi.
 
I plug it in every night and it was fine for about 3 days in -35C and then on the 4th day it wouldn't start. I had to have it towed back to my house and put in my garage. We normally park our other vehicle in the garage at night but I've had to swap it to this one for the time being. The block heater (Alberta Winter Climate Package) essentially does nothing as if the battery is cold the ICE can't start anyway so there isn't much of a point in having it.

UPDATE [cross-posted to the reddit thread above]:
Just off the phone with Mitsu Customer (dis)Service with the cold start issue. After 15 minutes and some prodding on my part the response distills to this:
1. as far as the company is concerned the cold start situation is "not an issue" but they are aware that many customers are experiencing difficulty.
2. the rep would NOT commit that the company is working on the problem but that owners would be notified of any developments (no ETA).
3. Owners should have been aware of the limitations of the vehicle before purchase because it says that in "extreme cold" such things would happen.
4. responding to my challenge that the manual was not readily available to buyers prior to sale there was no response.
5. returning to the challenge on the lack of specifics as to clarity on what is cold and how buyers would know what the phrase "extreme cold" meant the response was that "by international convention 'extreme cold' is defined as -25C. [subject to fact checking]
6. I was also told during the call that Tesla owners were having the same problem, as were all having a problem.
7. When invited to agree to my summary statement that "So, what you are telling me is that below -25 I own the problem" the rep denied that such was the case but offered nothing other than I'd be told if there any developments (with the non-issue).

It seems pretty clear that a single voice is not likely to produce much more than foot dragging by the company and generate a lot of "thank you for your input" responses. I have sent the particulars off to a legal firm specializing in class actions to test their interest. While my life is quite full and busy right now, and I don't need another project, I may follow up with a complaint to the federal government concerning the safety hazard inherent in the the vehicle, and, heaven forbid, contact consumer media sources.
I'd love to hear from others...
UPDATE - FACT CHECK

Noted above is the assertion from the Mitsu Customer Service Rep. that buyers should have been aware that Ourlander PHEV 2023 models had a don't start protection point in "extreme cold" and that, by "international convention" that term is defined as-25C or colder.

Checking facts, and bearing in mind the vehicles that are being discussed and the documents that support them were not acquired in international waters but in Canada, I checked with Environment Canada on the definition of the term. What I found does not support the assertion made to me. When you phone Mitsubishi, should you choose to do so, the table below may make a handy reference...

retrieved Jan 22, 1028 p.m., from

https://www.canada.ca/en/environmen...s-use/public/criteria-alerts.html#extremeCold

Extreme cold.​

Table 5. Alerting parameters Environment Canada uses for issuing an Extreme Cold Warning
Alert typeLocationThreshold criteria
WarningSouth-central and Southwestern OntarioIssued when the temperature or wind chill is expected to reach minus 30°C for at least two hours.
WarningSoutheastern Ontario, Southern Interior and Coastal B.C., Atlantic Canada except LabradorIssued when the temperature or wind chill is expected to reach minus 35°C for at least two hours.
WarningWestern, Central and Eastern QuebecIssued when the temperature or wind chill is expected to reach minus 38°C for at least two hours.
WarningCentral Interior B.C., Northern Ontario, Prairies - Alberta, Southern Saskatchewan, Southern ManitobaIssued when the temperature or wind chill is expected to reach minus 40°C for at least two hours.
WarningFar Northern Ontario, northern Saskatchewan, northern Manitoba, Northern B.C., LabradorIssued when the temperature or wind chill is expected to reach minus 45°C for at least two hours.
WarningNorthern QuebecIssued when the temperature or wind chill is expected to reach minus 48°C for at least two hours.
WarningYukon, NWT (except Paulatuk, Sachs Harbour and Ulukhaktok), Baffin Island (except Igloolik and Hall Beach), extreme northeast ManitobaIssued when the temperature or wind chill is expected to reach minus 50°C for at least two hours.
WarningNunavikIssued when the temperature or wind chill is expected to reach minus 52°C for at least two hours.
WarningNWT (Paulatuk, Sachs Harbour and Ulukhaktok only), Baffin Island (Igloolik and Hall beach only) Western and Northern NunavutIssued when the temperature or wind chill is expected to reach minus 55°C for at least two hours.
 
It's 100% due to them removing the heater from the batteries in 2023. They wanted to claim a longer range so they removed the heater. It's shortsighted and makes the vehicle unviable for Canadian winters. Dealers shouldn't be lying about it's capabilities during the sale process. If they had said it wouldn't work at -35 I would have bought a different vehicle, plain and simple.
I just talked to the dealer I bought the vehicle from. I shopped the country and ended up going to Ottawa, partly for price, partly for availability, but mostly for the no BS approach. He said the best approach for all owners to take is to "bombard" Mitsubishi Customer Service with complaints...it's not a problem for them if it's not made a problem for them.

I'm also talking to him about what a take-back deal could look like. That would be a heartbreaker but I need relability.
 
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I am a recent owner of a new 2023 Outlander PHEV, purchased in October 2023. I have read much about the possibility of being stranded in Sub-zero weather conditions where the main battery shuts down and will not start the engine. I am looking for advice. I live in Iowa and we are expecting sub-zero temps starting this Saturday night ( 1-13-2024) for several days. Sunday, the high temperature is expected to be in the -8° F during the day and -17°F at night this weekend and gradually warm up throughout the week. While my car is in an attached garage, it is not heated. I don't expect it to get below zero while garaged. However, I will go to work on Monday and the car will be outside for the day which has highs predicated at -6°F.

Are there any precautions I need to take to make sure it will start after sitting in temperatures of less than -6° F during the day? Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you.
Jim Petro
Check this video review which includes what Mitsu told the reviewer on the record;

 
Follow up video. They still are not getting the heat pump cut-off temperature correct. It is -15ºC. Ya, it might not be that good above that temperature but the cut off is -15. Also have not had any too cold to start at -20ºC battery temperature. Most report it below -30ºC.
 
I just talked to the dealer I bought the vehicle from. I shopped the country and ended up going to Ottawa, partly for price, partly for availability, but mostly for the no BS approach. He said the best approach for all owners to take is to "bombard" Mitsubishi Customer Service with complaints...it's not a problem for them if it's not made a problem for them.

I'm also talking to him about what a take-back deal could look like. That would be a heartbreaker but I need relability.
More or less what the service tech at my dealer said as well. They can't do anything, they know it's an issue, and can only provide a fix if Mitsubishi Canada acts on the complaints.

I saw there was a class action in the States (not sure the status) regarding lack of battery heaters causing people to be potentially stranded or unable to start their vehicle. Also contributes to battery degradation.

https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit...leges-outlander-phevs-contain-battery-defect/
Would love to see if anything happens in Canada.
 
I can only imagine what the discussions were like between the Mitsubishi engineers and management about this when the car was developed. I'm sure it was a management decision to not include a battery heater. Now it is a "told you so" moment.:mad:
 
Living in Iowa, I braved it this past weekend and drove my 2023 PHEV to an evening event 60 miles away. The temps were -8° F ( -22° C) and the vehicle sat outside the venue for 4 hours. I had not shared my vehicle concern with my wife - so I was really braving it and praying when we went to leave for home! I did not have a problem starting it and returned home without a hitch. I noted the Battery Temp was still above the lower limit on the digital gauge.

I am still very concerned if I left it out overnight or if the temperatures were much below where they were that evening - not that it occurs frequently but we can have a few night were temps are -20° F. I'll have to check out that possible Class Action mentioned earlier.
 
More or less what the service tech at my dealer said as well. They can't do anything, they know it's an issue, and can only provide a fix if Mitsubishi Canada acts on the complaints.

I saw there was a class action in the States (not sure the status) regarding lack of battery heaters causing people to be potentially stranded or unable to start their vehicle. Also contributes to battery degradation.

https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit...leges-outlander-phevs-contain-battery-defect/
Would love to see if anything happens in Canada.
It's being looked at as we speak (type).
 
I've got an update from my dealer but I'm not sure what to believe right now so I guess we will see.
He told me they are going to send a software update that will cause the batteries to drain/charge on a cycle when plugged in to keep the batteries warm when it's cold. I'm not sure if this is going to be enough overcome the cold but it would require you to always bring your L1 charger with you on cold days. He's been told the update is coming in February.
He also told me he was just informed about the lack of battery heaters at the beginning of this month - which seems impossible but we did have a mild winter last year so it may not have come up. (Xposted to my Reddit Thread about this)
 
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I've got an update from my dealer but I'm not sure what to believe right now so I guess we will see.
He told me they are going to send a software update that will cause the batteries to drain/charge on a cycle when plugged in to keep the batteries warm when it's cold. I'm not sure if this is going to be enough overcome the cold but it would require you to always bring your L1 charger with you on cold days. He's been told the update is coming in February.
He also told me he was just informed about the lack of battery heaters at the beginning of this month - which seems impossible but we did have a mild winter last year so it may not have come up. (Xposted to my Reddit Thread about this)
I have heard that same information from a sales manager whom I trust (yes I said that - but he has told/done many things not to his advantage during the time I've dealt with him), another sales manager, and a service manager who only heard it from the dealership's tech when I asked her and she asked him - then I talked to him and he said as a tech he had to go looking to confirm it. (I think we share the same dealer tikan)

Pretty clearly Mitsu got caught with their pants down on this and try to slide one by.

I spent a couple hours last night reading through the Quebec class action filing requesting certification for class action. It was in French so it was a struggle (Thank you Miss Bishop for what you tried to teach me, sorry for not paying better attention - you did say "you live in Canada - this will come in handy some time")

https://www.registredesactionscollectives.quebec/fr/Fichier/Document?NomFichier=12859.pdf
Some of what I (think) I derived from it included:
  • there were ~4600 Outlanders leased/sold in Canada last year (seems low to me)
  • the plaintiff on behalf of the members of the class seeks compensation for
    • extra fuel consumed because of the failure of EV to work in the cold
    • money for lost value/failure to deliver
    • inconvenience and loss of use
    • additional $ for being naughty and failing to address the issue
    • total as I read it ~$22k per customer
  • I couldn't fully discern whether the expectation was to make the battery work
To my mind the ask fell well short. I would have liked to see the buyer have to option to return the vehicle. After all, if I go to the hardware store and buy a cordless drill and it doesn't work, I take it back.

The dimension that hasn't been talked about and I think could/should bring some heavyweights to the table has to do with government EV rebates associated with the vehicle. I believe that the engineering changes that upped the theoretical EV range and allowed the vehicle to qualify for federal and provincial rebates verges on fraud. When the vehicle does start in the cold, it runs off the ICE, and has reduced maximum range - a range that would not qualify for some/full rebates.

In response do you think Mitsu would say "Hey - we did contribute to carbon reduction by making a vehicle that burned no fuel at all because they wouldn't start"?

I think our governments have been had as well.
 
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